Conspiracy Theory Du Jour

[solovsfett]

Fiat justitia ruat cælum.

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I just can't believe that after all this time someone hasn't written a book with proof of any shenanigans if they in fact happened at all.

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I just can't believe that after all this time someone hasn't written a book with proof of any shenanigans if they in fact happened at all.

What about senanicans? Those are different; much more sinister.

[solovsfett]

I just can't believe that after all this time someone hasn't written a book with proof of any shenanigans if they in fact happened at all.

They have. See: David Talbot, James DiEugenio, John Newman, Jeff Morley, Vince Palamara and former congressional investigator Gaeton Fonzi.

Also 2013 or 2014 conference where HSCA investigators Dan Hardway and ed Lopez chronicled in detail cia's derailing of the Oswald investigation.
Also at the same conference Bob Blakey stated (finally) that he believes as head of the HSCA investigation it's Long past time to investigate the cia

[Kepler]

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I just can't believe that after all this time someone hasn't written a book with proof of any shenanigans if they in fact happened at all.

It's taken as read inside the Beltway that the CIA had JFK murdered because he was about to seriously curtail their activities and have a full examination of covert action. The debate is over which faction(s) were directly involved and whether the other factions signed off on it or just covered up afterwards. The actual math is insanely complex and I am in no way an expert. But plenty of books have been written.

It was institutional self-defense. The CI establishment has done a lot of extraordinary things over the years. Some have been frankly amazing. Some have been borderline coup. And, once, it was an actual coup.

The Church Commission would perhaps have cut them back except for what happened subsequently in American history.

It's awful, but it's true. America lost its cherry in 1963. It's happened to every other empire, and it happened to us. Since then, we've just been making do and trying to minimize the damage.

[joecct]

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So what happens if it was a coup d'etat?

[Kepler]

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So what happens if it was a coup d'etat?

Apparently nothing.

Oh, you mean like what happens if there's clear and unmistakable proof in the records about to be unsealed?

A million Think Pieces but I can't see any real action. We're debating Naziism right now as if it was a parallel acceptable system of governance, and a third of the country defends it because it makes those weirdos at the cabaret nervous. We've had one election stolen in plain sight and another looking like it was stolen by an enemy. Why would this be the final straw? What would induce anyone to do more than march or excuse?

[mookie1995]

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I just can't believe that after all this time someone hasn't written a book with proof of any shenanigans if they in fact happened at all.

someone made a movie!!!!

[mookie1995]

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So what happens if it was a coup d'etat?

what would happen? it was 55 years ago.

[mookie1995]

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It's taken as read inside the Beltway that the CIA had JFK murdered because he was about to seriously curtail their activities and have a full examination of covert action. The debate is over which faction(s) were directly involved and whether the other factions signed off on it or just covered up afterwards. The actual math is insanely complex and I am in no way an expert. But plenty of books have been written.

It was institutional self-defense. The CI establishment has done a lot of extraordinary things over the years. Some have been frankly amazing. Some have been borderline coup. And, once, it was an actual coup.

The Church Commission would perhaps have cut them back except for what happened subsequently in American history.

It's awful, but it's true. America lost its cherry in 1963. It's happened to every other empire, and it happened to us. Since then, we've just been making do and trying to minimize the damage.

people believe what they want to believe. like nobody looks at the TWO crash sites in shanksville and believes the plane just nosedived

[solovsfett]

It's taken as read inside the Beltway that the CIA had JFK murdered because he was about to seriously curtail their activities and have a full examination of covert action. The debate is over which faction(s) were directly involved and whether the other factions signed off on it or just covered up afterwards. The actual math is insanely complex and I am in no way an expert. But plenty of books have been written.

It was institutional self-defense. The CI establishment has done a lot of extraordinary things over the years. Some have been frankly amazing. Some have been borderline coup. And, once, it was an actual coup.

The Church Commission would perhaps have cut them back except for what happened subsequently in American history.

It's awful, but it's true. America lost its cherry in 1963. It's happened to every other empire, and it happened to us. Since then, we've just been making do and trying to minimize the damage.

Exactly. 1947 national security act creates CIA, immediately they go off the rails. 1948 rig elections in Italy where the communists were winning until CIA interference. 1953 overthrow Mohammed misadegh in Iran. 1954 overthrow Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. Had bob maheu kidnap a college professor from Columbia university in 1955 iirc and dumped him in the Dominican Republic where he was murdered within a week. All because he wrote articles bashing the u.s. Friendly dictator there. 1959 assassinated Patrice Lumumba. Sent $ to the in oas to assist them in assassinating degaulle. Thankfully that didn't work.

And after JFK and RFK you have a situation where no-one on capital hill has the guts to reign them back in.

Also see Gary Webb's murder. Kill The Messenger is the book and movie.

Ugh

[solovsfett]

So what happens if it was a coup d'etat?

Hopefully congress and president move to disable the cia's operations both overt and covert. Turn them into an intelligence agency only or disband/defund and let DIA and NSA take over international intelligence duties.

Harry Truman wrote an op-ed in the Washington post dec 9,1963. "Limit CIA role to intelligence"...reading between the lines he knew what happened in Dallas emanated from a few folks at Langley. Nov 22-24, former director Allen Dulles was at The Farm...assuredly monitoring the progress of the most audacious operation he'd ever conveived🙁

[dxmnkd316]

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I think you guys are borderline insane

[mookie1995]

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church cmte already decreed the cia couldn't assassinate any more us presidents. all set here.

[solovsfett]

I think you guys are borderline insane

I think you're ignorant. You should read what congressional investigators have found. Why do you think so much of the Church Commite and HSCA closed door sessions are still hidden from the public 40+ years on? It isn't because they were talking about their crossword prowess.