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  • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

    No state in the country has been so ill-served by its governor as Wisconsin. No state.
    Don't think elections matter? Don't think Governors matter? He also in addition to what they're talking about here set back education in Wisconsin 30 years.

    http://host.madison.com/ct/opinion/e...55c7080b3.html
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      That's a load of bs. Have they forgotten about Kansas? The state whose judges had to step in and declare policies unconstitutional because they weren't even providing a quarter azzed education.
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        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
        That's a load of bs. Have they forgotten about Kansas? The state whose judges had to step in and declare policies unconstitutional because they weren't even providing a quarter azzed education.
        Walker has done a lot of damage all by himself. Kansas is even further out there. But I wonder if that place is kinda a drift on its own.

        Edit: Goofy. The article says:

        In 2011, barely a month into his governorship, Walker’s administration returned $23 million in federal stimulus money that was supposed to be used to improve broadband connections for 380 Wisconsin communities — including 385 libraries and 82 schools. The money could also have been used "to improve police, fire department and hospital communications in rural areas,” according to Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports at the time.

        ...that's tax monies paid by WI residents to the federal government that was turned down.
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        • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

          Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
          Alaska does have a constitution (it's a statehood requirement) but AFAIK it doesn't have a balanced budget requirement.

          This is pretty much everything nobody in the state wants but what the state really needs.

          Of course every (R) person out there is saying that if we just cut the budget more and more we'll be fine and let's start with those welfare programs...
          People whine about how we shouldn't cut welfare because it's a small portion of the budget. Ever think you might get more tax revenues if you cut welfare?

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          • Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
            People whine about how we shouldn't cut welfare because it's a small portion of the budget. Ever think you might get more tax revenues if you cut welfare?
            Corporate welfare? Sure. Cutting all welfare would just lead to a huge growth in the homeless population. And a lot of dead, frozen kids.
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            • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

              Pretty indepth update on guns in America. It covers a recent experiment in MO to drop some gun control and a subsequent skyrocketing murder rate. It also shows how trafficking guns into some states with tougher gun control like IL and CA circumvent existing attempts at managing the issue.

              http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/he...ings.html?_r=0
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              • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

                Speaking of gun control...

                Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced Tuesday that the commonwealth will no longer recognize out-of-state concealed handgun permits, part of a national push to circumvent legislatures opposed to tightening gun laws.

                Herring (D) said 25 states have lax laws compared with Virginia, where a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment can disqualify someone from carrying a concealed handgun. The move is in step with actions governors and attorneys general are taking to address gun violence without going through Republican-controlled legislatures.

                “While you are here, you are subject to the commonwealth’s gun laws,” Herring said during a news conference.
                tldr: VA no longer recognizes permits from states whose standards are lower than VA's.

                Legal eagles? At first glance I thought it won't fly because someone with a permit who would also have qualified under VA law now has that right stripped without due process. Well, that plus if the NRA sneezes the whole Congress catches a cold. But then again, this is not the right to have a gun, only to conceal carry. I assume the Second has never been interpreted to imply concealed carry as a right, in which case can't VA do this the way it can refuse reciprocity with out of state law licenses?
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                • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

                  Concealed carry is not a right, therefore it has defaulted to being a state's rights issue. Hence why in most states, you have to get a CCW permit to legally conceal-carry certain classes of weapons (which also varies from state to state). In some states, that is much easier than in others, and not every state currently recognizes out of state CCW permits. There are even a handful of states/territories, including a couple of surprising ones like Vermont and PR, where it's totally unrestricted and you don't even need the permit.

                  Believe it or not, back during the Jim Crow era, many Southern states officially banned conceal-carry on the grounds that only criminals do so, though it was obviously due to racism more than anything else.

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                  • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

                    Seems kind of short sighted, imho. Do we really want to further erode whatever is left of full faith and credit? What's next, Kansas refusing to acknowledge the validity of a New Jersey drivers license (I've seen how those people drive)?
                    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                    • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

                      Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                      What's next, Kansas refusing to acknowledge the validity of a New Jersey drivers license (I've seen how those people drive)?
                      IALTO

                      We've already ignored full faith and credit when it comes to differences in marriage laws for decades. Historically, in cases where state's rights are at hand, the feds don't like forcing one state to comply with the public policies and legal pronouncements of another state.

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                        Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                        IALTO

                        We've already ignored full faith and credit when it comes to differences in marriage laws for decades. Historically, in cases where state's rights are at hand, the feds don't like forcing one state to comply with the public policies and legal pronouncements of another state.
                        I understand. It's probably not a real full faith and credit case anyway. But it just seems a bit foolish to me when states decide to engage in these "wars" with other states over political differences.
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

                          Travis Bickle is in the Wisconsin state legislature.

                          Wisconsin state Rep. Bob Gannon (R) said gun-owning citizens should "help clean our society of these scumbags" in a Monday statement defending concealed carry laws, The Wisconsin State Journal reported.
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                          • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

                            Cue socialist whining in three... two... one... http://usherald.com/welfare-moochers...ange-benefits/

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                              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                              Cue socialist whining in three... two... one... http://usherald.com/welfare-moochers...ange-benefits/
                              Interesting you post that drivel, considering earlier you said...

                              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                              This whole time of year grinds my gears. Unending avarice...
                              Hmm

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                              • Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

                                *hops the border fence*
                                *plops in Chula Vista*
                                *grabs a Driver's License*
                                Hey, I can vote!

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