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    Tesla has taken a beating this past month with some crashes being reported while the car was in "Autopilot" mode.

    For those unaware, yes, Tesla's can be put into Autopilot where it will maintain speed and direction of your car, with occasional checks to see if you're still in control, otherwise Autopilot will guide the car to a safe stop.

    First there was the distracted Tesla driver who didn't see the broadside of a white semi truck against the overcast Florida sky, and neither did the autopilot system, leading to a Final Destination-esque ending.

    Then there was a guy in Pennsylvania who claimed his Autopilot also crashed his car.

    Elon Musk got access to the black box of the Tesla in the Pennsylvania crash and said: Nope, you caused your own crash.

    In looking at the Tesla log report summarized in the article, the driver fell asleep.

    40 second prior to the crash, Autopilot detects no user input and starts audibly and visually warning the driver to retake control.

    At 25 second prior to the crash, while still warning the driver, the car begins to slow down in an attempt to safely pull to the side of the road.

    At 11 seconds before the crash, the driver then placed his hands on the steering wheel, turned left, and stepped on the accelerator. Note: at this point, manual control is assumed by the car and Autopilot is disengaged.

    Then, with just a second before the crash, the article gracefully describes the scene:
    ... Approximately 300m [and ten seconds after regaining manual control] the driver drifted out of the lane, collided with a barrier, overcorrected, crossed both lanes of the highway, struck the median barrier, and rolled the vehicle.
    Asleep. Or drunk. Or both. My money is on he fell asleep and won't admit it.
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    Seems to me that there's a robustness issue with the system.

    It seems REALLY obvious to me that a natural and high possibility in this mode is for a tired driver to fall asleep.

    Which means they need a better way of dealing with it. And if the car had lane control and brake control (which I would presume it does, given what it can do)- it should be capable of making it hard for a driver to go from basically asleep to making sudden inputs.

    Not to say that it's not driver's fault, and that he fell asleep. But that Tesla does need to figure out a better way of dealing with it. It's going to happen again- 100% of that.

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    No way. I'd rather it pull itself over rather than prevent driver override.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    No way. I'd rather it pull itself over rather than prevent driver override.
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    No way. I'd rather it pull itself over rather than prevent driver override.
    Most trains do this. If no controls are pressed for 30 seconds, they will sound an alarm, then after 45 seconds they will automatically brake the train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    No way. I'd rather it pull itself over rather than prevent driver override.
    That is a form of preventing driver override.

    Instead of keeping going, it also ignores the drivers sudden input and pulls over. It's a good idea, though. A good example of needing a large group of diverse backgrounds to solve a tough problem.

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    I know my car effectively stops itself if it doesn't have driver input for more than 20-30 seconds.

    It has LKAS and adaptive cruise control. I've seen it navigate through all sorts of turns. As soon as it doesn't detect your hands on the wheel, it kills the cruise control and turns off LKAS. You basically coast to a stop.

    Now, I don't really understand why LKAS is turned off, I'd rather have a car attempt to maintain a lame if the driver is asleep or incapacitated. But I get why they did it.

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    OK folks. I need some help from the studio audience.

    I'm considering the new Jaguar XE. Obviously I'd go AWD and thus supercharged. When I look at the options I want I'd end up decking out a Prestige or just buying the R-Type to get what I want: the blind spot monitors and back up cameras; the heated seats and steering wheel are, well, did I mention I live in North Dakota; and heated rear seats are a must when coming out of hockey games. (My musts are bolded.)

    To me the comparables are the BMW 3 and the MB C300s or the Audi A4.

    From what I can find, the C300 does not offer heated rear seats. I sat in a 2016 A4 and just wasn't impressed. I've never really looked into the BMWs.

    What else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    OK folks. I need some help from the studio audience.

    I'm considering the new Jaguar XE. Obviously I'd go AWD and thus supercharged. When I look at the options I want I'd end up decking out a Prestige or just buying the R-Type to get what I want: the blind spot monitors and back up cameras; the heated seats and steering wheel are, well, did I mention I live in North Dakota; and heated rear seats are a must when coming out of hockey games. (My musts are bolded.)

    To me the comparables are the BMW 3 and the MB C300s or the Audi A4.

    From what I can find, the C300 does not offer heated rear seats. I sat in a 2016 A4 and just wasn't impressed. I've never really looked into the BMWs.

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    Shouldn't you be buying a pickup . I figured ND was like Maine and pickups were the preferred mode of transportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Shouldn't you be buying a pickup . I figured ND was like Maine and pickups were the preferred mode of transportation.
    Pick-ups or Trans-Ams. Both go with mullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldy_331 View Post
    Pick-ups or Trans-Ams. Both go with mullets.
    I'd take a 69 Trans am over the jaq he is going to buy. To be honest I'd take a pick up over it also

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    OK folks. I need some help from the studio audience.

    I'm considering the new Jaguar XE. Obviously I'd go AWD and thus supercharged. When I look at the options I want I'd end up decking out a Prestige or just buying the R-Type to get what I want: the blind spot monitors and back up cameras; the heated seats and steering wheel are, well, did I mention I live in North Dakota; and heated rear seats are a must when coming out of hockey games. (My musts are bolded.)

    To me the comparables are the BMW 3 and the MB C300s or the Audi A4.

    From what I can find, the C300 does not offer heated rear seats. I sat in a 2016 A4 and just wasn't impressed. I've never really looked into the BMWs.

    What else?
    You can get an Acura TLX or RLX with AWD and heated rear seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    I'd take a 69 Trans am over the jaq he is going to buy. To be honest I'd take a pick up over it also
    My wish list includes:
    - 1968 Pontiac GTO
    - 1986 Buick Grand National
    - 1983 Hurst Olds Cutlass (like the black over silver better than the silver over black in 1984)
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Shouldn't you be buying a pickup . I figured ND was like Maine and pickups were the preferred mode of transportation.
    I have an AWD Jag now. I enjoy having better all-weather performance than most pickup trucks.

    And I can borrow a pee-cup-ter-ruck any time I need one because, as you suspect, they are prolific in ND.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldy_331 View Post
    Pick-ups or Trans-Ams. Both go with mullets.
    The last thing I'll ever be accused of is having a mullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by state of hockey View Post
    You can get an Acura TLX or RLX with AWD and heated rear seats.
    Nearest Acura, or Lexus, or Infinity dealers are at the same place as the nearest Jaguar dealer: MSP. If I'm going down there, I'm predisposed to going with what I know already (as I have a Jag now). Anyone here have an AWD sedan of any of those?

    There's Mercedes, Porsche, and Audi in Fargo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    The last thing I'll ever be accused of is having a mullet.
    C'mon, you know you would, if you could. ;-)

    How common are Jag dealers in NoDak? My limited experience with people who owned Jags was that they got to know the dealer well and drove the loaners more than their Jags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldy_331 View Post
    How common are Jag dealers in NoDak?
    Like I said: MSP. But that's the same for Acura, Infinity, Lexus, and BMW.

    (I know I shouldn't say this, but < knocking on wood madly >) I've had really good luck with what I'm driving. Scheduled maintenance, brakes, and tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    My wish list includes:
    - 1968 Pontiac GTO
    - 1986 Buick Grand National
    - 1983 Hurst Olds Cutlass (like the black over silver better than the silver over black in 1984)
    I see a common thread here, 80s vintage GM and Jaqs, you love your dealers service depts?

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    That's kind of what I was thinking with the Jag.

    I wouldn't buy European. Ever. Murican or Japanese. I bought my first Acura in February.

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