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    They'll still try to f-ck you during negotiations, though.
    Yeah, but I'm sayin', that TruCoat, you don't get it and you get oxidization problems. It'll cost you a heck of lot more'n five hundred--

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    I offered $500 under the TrueCar price and they countered $200 higher than my offer. I was happy and accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch Boy View Post
    The haggling tactic I've heard:

    Figure out exactly what you want, make, model, trim level, color, options, every detail.

    Then call every dealership in the area that sells it. Inform them of all the details of the car you want. Tell them you're calling X other dealerships as well, and whoever can quote you the lowest price out the door by COB Friday gets the sale.

    Most dealerships will play ball.
    That's one way to do it.

    I had a sort of graph that I drew up from websites that cross-referenced size of down payment, interest rate (and length of loan) vs total price of vehicle, which gave me various monthly payments. The salesperson saw that I had that info (not the actual numbers, just that I had a sheet) and realized that I was going to walk if I didn't like the numbers. She was not a hard-seller at all, mind you, but that gave her the impression that I came totally prepared and did my research. She didn't try to mess around with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    That's one way to do it.

    I had a sort of graph that I drew up from websites that cross-referenced size of down payment, interest rate (and length of loan) vs total price of vehicle, which gave me various monthly payments. The salesperson saw that I had that info (not the actual numbers, just that I had a sheet) and realized that I was going to walk if I didn't like the numbers. She was not a hard-seller at all, mind you, but that gave her the impression that I came totally prepared and did my research. She didn't try to mess around with me.
    This is the "four-square" worksheet car dealers use to rip you off and how to work around it:

    https://consumerist.com/2007/03/30/d...ow-to-beat-it/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch Boy View Post
    This is the "four-square" worksheet car dealers use to rip you off and how to work around it:

    https://consumerist.com/2007/03/30/d...ow-to-beat-it/
    I had zero trade value, so that part was easy. Didn't let them know that; just said I was looking for a nice summer vehicle.
    Total cost, mentioned that part earlier.
    Let them know the numbers mattered with the loan. Simply put, if I didn't like them, I was walking. Had been scouting this model (various years) for a couple months, this was the leading one, so convince me to not look elsewhere.

    Basically the only thing I was willing to change on the model I have was the color. If it wasn't yellow, it was going to be black or charcoal. Yes, I'm picky on color. They BRIEFLY mentioned the cherry red Camaro (that was also a slight upgrade in price) on the lot, and I immediately stopped that sorta talk. I was there to look at the yellow one, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by state of hockey View Post
    I have a buddy who was a salesman at a no-haggle dealership selling Mazdas for a while. I was surprised when he told me how many cars he sold after straight-up telling people that they could probably get the same car cheaper somewhere else. He's a REALLY good salesman though. He sells Bentleys and Maseratis now. Sold a Ferrari to Boogaard. Still doesn't know how he fit.
    My future FIL worked as a salesman for one of the local Cadillac dealerships; he told me that his line he used with customers was, "I promise, you pay more anywhere else!" He'd say it with a smile on his face and a chuckle in his voice, but he was completely serious. He was their top salesman for something like 15 years straight.
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    Not aware of any no-haggle dealerships here. I did get pre-approval for a pretty good rate from my credit union, so plan on using them rather than dealer financing. There were a few cars I test drove last time and didn't like - thinking I should try them again (VW Jetta and maybe one of the Hyundais). Uggggggggghgh. When is Amazon going to start selling cars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jen View Post
    Not aware of any no-haggle dealerships here. I did get pre-approval for a pretty good rate from my credit union, so plan on using them rather than dealer financing. There were a few cars I test drove last time and didn't like - thinking I should try them again (VW Jetta and maybe one of the Hyundais). Uggggggggghgh. When is Amazon going to start selling cars?
    Per my brother, mechanic for 22+ years now...don't touch the infamous German engineering. I was day-dreaming about an Audi TT, and he flat out said: You buy one, don't even bother to call me to look at it for maintenance. And this was before the big scandal.
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    They're just set up differently, and mechanics here don't have as much experience with them. Makes them frustrating to work with. This combined with the increased cost of the parts scare most people off. If you get a good warranty and have a VW shop (no I do not mean dealership) nearby it isn't so bad. The mistake I made with mine was buying it in the first place. It was obviously tracked. It looked great, but the inner-workings were beat on pretty hard. I foolishly decided to ignore this and made the purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by state of hockey View Post
    They're just set up differently, and mechanics here don't have as much experience with them. Makes them frustrating to work with. This combined with the increased cost of the parts scare most people off. If you get a good warranty and have a VW shop (no I do not mean dealership) nearby it isn't so bad. The mistake I made with mine was buying it in the first place. It was obviously tracked. It looked great, but the inner-workings were beat on pretty hard. I foolishly decided to ignore this and made the purchase.
    Plus a lot of these companies are requiring their cars to be serviced by their own licensed mechanics and are using proprietary parts as a barrier to entry. You can't even change your own oil on a BMW these days, or even take it to Jiffy Lube. Gotta shell out $300 at the stealership for a BMW certified tech to pop the proprietary screws on the cover protecting the oil cap and do it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch Boy View Post
    Plus a lot of these companies are requiring their cars to be serviced by their own licensed mechanics and are using proprietary parts as a barrier to entry. You can't even change your own oil on a BMW these days, or even take it to Jiffy Lube. Gotta shell out $300 at the stealership for a BMW certified tech to pop the proprietary screws on the cover protecting the oil cap and do it for you.
    If that's the case with VW cars (and their companies)....

    If I'm understanding it correctly, say my Audi is out of warranty, so it doesn't matter, I couldn't have my brother do stuff on his own time? I don't even know how that's enforceable....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    If that's the case with VW cars (and their companies)....

    If I'm understanding it correctly, say my Audi is out of warranty, so it doesn't matter, I couldn't have my brother do stuff on his own time? I don't even know how that's enforceable....
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Patents. Create unique screw driver heads, odd shaped connectors of various sizes, and then not license the patents. When they finally run out, the model will be old enough for the original owners to not have much care at that point.
    I bet a good mechanic could jury-rig something up.
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    Volkswagens are junk. It's pretty simple


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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Volkswagens are junk. It's pretty simple


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    Quote Originally Posted by jen View Post
    Not aware of any no-haggle dealerships here. I did get pre-approval for a pretty good rate from my credit union, so plan on using them rather than dealer financing. There were a few cars I test drove last time and didn't like - thinking I should try them again (VW Jetta and maybe one of the Hyundais). Uggggggggghgh. When is Amazon going to start selling cars?
    ive been happy with my Hyundai 3+ years in.

    My aunt works for a different car dealership ($$$$) in your area, but i dont think those are what you are looking for.

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    My first Audi was a V5. Bought it with about 40,000 miles on it and the clutch went out during my first drive after purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostonewe View Post
    I heartily recommend the Mini Cooper. I have the 2008 and it gets ~37 miles to the gallon (mostly highway and a stickshift). It is surprisingly good in the snow d/t it's weight. I would recommend it if you're overly tall, but my hubs drives it and he's 6'ish 300ish. I will get the S model next time, though the base model comes with "sport" mode.
    Short wheelbase and FWD helps in the snow. I have a 2011 Ford Focus that gets 37 on the highway and 32 in town... with an automatic. Have fun with the Mini.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkshire BU Fan View Post
    Short wheelbase and FWD helps in the snow. I have a 2011 Ford Focus that gets 37 on the highway and 32 in town... with an automatic. Have fun with the Mini.
    I've since sold the Mini. Driving a 2018 Civic Hatchback Sport. (Still stickshift though ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostonewe View Post
    I've since sold the Mini. Driving a 2018 Civic Hatchback Sport. (Still stickshift though ).
    Speaking of which, how is the Civic treating you?

    I'm having ha-ha-only-serious thoughts of treating myself to something midrange sporty yet daily drivable in a couple years, and the Civic Type R would fit my bill (if I can restrain myself from puffing a 3-foot vape cloud and yelling at everyone nearby to smash that like, follow, and subscribe button like a boss every time I get out.)

    The gut answer is wait a couple more years and score a used C7 Corvette, but the problem with that is the real world has things like speed bumps and potholes (my dad picked up a C5 and he's petrified to drive it due mostly to the above, and I can't say I blame him.)
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