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  • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

    Originally posted by burd View Post
    It's unfortunate that 100 years ago nobody acted on their belief that black people should be able to sit next to white folks at the restaurant or that women should have the same rights as men. I guess most people either didn't care about others back in the day or had no conviction to act.
    I'd respond to this if I thought there was a decent discussion being sought out. But I don't see any reason to think so. Typical burd trolling.
    Originally posted by Priceless
    Good to see you're so reasonable.
    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
    Very well, said.
    Originally posted by Rover
    A fair assessment Bob.

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    • Originally posted by joecct View Post
      100 years ago that noted progressive president, the former president of Princeton and former governor of New Jersey resegregated the federal workforce.

      They believed that non whites (the exception were the Japanese) were inferior. It was genetics, you see.
      And....

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      • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
        And....
        He got reelected.
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        • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

          Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
          You are correct to an extent that people as a whole aren't as focused on certain days/etc. and I think that is healthy. That said, the real shift is away from making stands that cost a person significantly. Lots of people makes stands nowadays, but how many of those stands cost them a career or a lifelong aspiration or something really significant to them? Not many. People boycott a product and buy a similar product from someone else. No real sacrifice there.
          It may be, but I think the willingness to risk much for principle has always been vanishingly rare, which is why it has always been celebrated as exceptional. We may tend to overestimate the number of cases in the past because they loom so large, and because we know the stories in retrospect. Right this moment there may be individuals risking everything who we'll not know about until much later.
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          • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

            Originally posted by burd View Post
            It's unfortunate that 100 years ago nobody acted on their belief that black people should be able to sit next to white folks at the restaurant or that women should have the same rights as men. I guess most people either didn't care about others back in the day or had no conviction to act.
            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
            I'd respond to this if I thought there was a decent discussion being sought out. But I don't see any reason to think so. Typical burd trolling.
            You're right--let me rephrase:

            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
            There was a time when peoples' beliefs were a good deal less important in their decision making than they are nowadays, generally speaking.

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            • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              He got reelected.
              And...

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              • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                And...
                I don't know what you're looking for. As JFK wrote that you have to understand the "time and the place" to understand the actions happening. 100 years ago everything was different than it is today. The Red Sox were good, the Yankees (Highlanders) stunk, Indians were not citizens, women could not vote, and we had very restrictive immigration laws.

                Oh, and we invaded Mexico to keep Pancho Villa out.
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                • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                  Which directly speaks to nothing that has been discussed.

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                  • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    a hundred years ago nobody cared about the environment and there were very few boycotts of products because of "market vice" practices.
                    Your timeline is a bit off, no?

                    Yellowstone became a national park in 1872. John Muir founded The Sierra Club in 1892, an early conservation/environmental organization from 123 years ago.

                    Upton Sinclair published The Jungle in 1906 (109 years ago) and the outrage was so great that it led to the passage of the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906.
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                    • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                      Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                      Your timeline is a bit off, no?

                      Yellowstone became a national park in 1872. John Muir founded The Sierra Club in 1892, an early conservation/environmental organization from 123 years ago.

                      Upton Sinclair published The Jungle in 1906 (109 years ago) and the outrage was so great that it led to the passage of the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906.


                      or are we supposed to believe that no enlightened people ever existed before you were born?
                      That's fair. Make it 150.

                      The "enlightened" crack shows you missed the whole point, though.
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                      • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        It may be, but I think the willingness to risk much for principle has always been vanishingly rare, which is why it has always been celebrated as exceptional. We may tend to overestimate the number of cases in the past because they loom so large, and because we know the stories in retrospect. Right this moment there may be individuals risking everything who we'll not know about until much later.
                        This is obviously something that can't be easily quantified. I tend to think folks in the past were more willing to take stands and risks more than people now. If for no other reason that folks today are materially much better off and if nothing tend to be complacent as long as their material well being is not impinged upon significantly.
                        Originally posted by Priceless
                        Good to see you're so reasonable.
                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                        Very well, said.
                        Originally posted by Rover
                        A fair assessment Bob.

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                        • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                          Originally posted by burd View Post
                          You're right--let me rephrase:
                          Another conversation with yourself.
                          Originally posted by Priceless
                          Good to see you're so reasonable.
                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                          Very well, said.
                          Originally posted by Rover
                          A fair assessment Bob.

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                          • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                            This is obviously something that can't be easily quantified. I tend to think folks in the past were more willing to take stands and risks more than people now. If for no other reason that folks today are materially much better off and if nothing tend to be complacent as long as their material well being is not impinged upon significantly.
                            So, principle's just another word for nothin' left to lose?

                            It's funny, but I was actually planning to make that very point when I was writing the original response. The stakes are not as high for most people any more, primarily because of all the social justice battles that have been won in the past. Now we argue about whether people can marry, 50 years ago the stakes were higher, it was whether they could vote. 150 years ago it was whether somebody could own them. The stakes are getting progressively lower for everyone but the poor. (Even the current egregious life or death battle, cops killing people just for being black and thus "threatening," is really just a stand-in for the guilt by association of blacks with being poor and thus "threatening.")
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                            • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              you missed the whole point, though.
                              I thought the whole point of every one of your posts was to remind us how much more you know than anyone else??
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                              • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                                Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                                I thought the whole point of every one of your posts was to remind us how much more you know than anyone else??
                                And what is the point of yours...to remind us all that you know very little about most topics and nothing at all about the rest?
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