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  • #61
    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    For a non polar world, he blew it. The world was just trading, travelling, talking online. The US' world position was starting to soften. No need for US 'leadership'. But as with Fox benefiting from a Democrat win, a fading US presence doesn't serve Putin's purpose.

    I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS started gaining extremist support with the tailwind of Russian global confrontation behind it. Anger breeds anger. The difference is that those attracted to the Putin world vision have hope...those attracted to the ISIS vision have no hope. Both are dangerous...but no hope is always more dangerous.
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    • #62
      Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

      Today in saber (sabre?) rattling.

      Putin's personal agit-prop network tells you where his head's at.
      Last edited by Kepler; 11-25-2015, 02:15 PM.
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      • #63
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        Putin doesn't want the truth because deep down, in places he doesn't talk about at international summits, he wants us on that wall. He needs us on that wall.

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        • #64
          Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

          Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
          Putin doesn't want the truth because deep down, in places he doesn't talk about at international summits, he wants us on that wall. He needs us on that wall.
          The best gift we can give the Russians and Chinese is to go right on bankrupting ourselves to maintain our oligarchs' Empire. And when we finally go the way of the Spanish, Dutch and British empires, our billionaires will be just as happy living their same lifestyle in St. Petersburg or Shanghai.

          To be honest, the Netherlands looks pretty nice, so hasten unto the day when America is no longer a superpower. It might be a decent place to live again.
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          • #65
            Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

            The Senator from Ohio will take a lot of flak for this. It's a shame, because he's about 80% right.

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            • #66
              Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

              Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
              The Senator from Ohio will take a lot of flak for this. It's a shame, because he's about 80% right.
              They are terrorists. However, how many of them are lone wolf shooters with severe mental illness? We are supposed to have databases to protect us from allowing these people to get firearms. I'm not at all saying we need a database of Muslims. That's reprehensible and nauseating.

              So, I'm not entirely sure what his point is. Congratulations? You're technically correct, Brown, but what's your point?
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              • #67
                Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

                Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                The Senator from Ohio will take a lot of flak for this. It's a shame, because he's about 80% right.
                Those drawings are perfect.
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                • #68
                  Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

                  Remember the Nuclear Agreement win Iran? Not legally binding.

                  http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...or&tid=1211296
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                  • #69
                    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    Remember the Nuclear Agreement win Iran? Not legally binding.

                    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...or&tid=1211296
                    So what?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by joecct View Post
                      Remember the Nuclear Agreement win Iran? Not legally binding.

                      http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...or&tid=1211296
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                      • #71
                        Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

                        Obvious.

                        SPIEGEL ONLINE: In February 2004, you already had Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in your hands -- he was imprisoned in a military camp, but got cleared later as harmless by a US military commission. How could that fatal mistake happen?

                        Flynn: We were too dumb. We didn't understand who we had there at that moment. When 9/11 occurred, all the emotions took over, and our response was, "Where did those ******** come from? Let's go kill them. Let's go get them." Instead of asking why they attacked us, we asked where they came from. Then we strategically marched in the wrong direction.

                        SPIEGEL ONLINE: The US invaded Iraq even though Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11.

                        Flynn: First we went to Afghanistan, where al-Qaida was based. Then we went into Iraq. Instead of asking ourselves why the phenomenon of terror occurred, we were looking for locations. This is a major lesson we must learn in order not to make the same mistakes again.

                        SPIEGEL ONLINE: The Islamic State wouldn't be where it is now without the fall of Baghdad. Do you regret ...

                        Flynn: ... yes, absolutely ...

                        SPIEGEL ONLINE: ... the Iraq war?

                        Flynn: It was huge error. As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him. The same is true for Moammar Gadhafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision.
                        So this Flynn guy is just some surrender monkey, right?

                        Michael Flynn, 56, served in the United States Army for more than 30 years, most recently as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, where he was the nation's highest-ranking military intelligence officer. Previously, he served as assistant director of national intelligence inside the Obama administration. From 2004 to 2007, he was stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq, where, as commander of the US special forces, he hunted top al-Qaida terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, one of the predecessors to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who today heads the Islamic State (IS) in Syria and Iraq. After Flynn's team located Zarqawi's whereabouts, the US killed the terrorist in an air strike in June 2006.
                        In all honesty, is there anybody left on the planet who doesn't realize that the Neocons made the US ten times more vulnerable with all their idiocy? And that they are still out there, just waiting to get the band back together if a Republican wins in 2016?
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                        • #72
                          Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

                          This isn't a news.

                          This was evident in 1979.

                          The shah kept Iran under wraps. "Freedom" doesn't work for some people. The Middle East would do well with a few figureheads who suppress their 'people' and give us oil - cheaply.

                          Again, not a news flash by any stretch
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                          • #73
                            Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

                            Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                            This isn't a news.

                            This was evident in 1979.

                            The shah kept Iran under wraps. "Freedom" doesn't work for some people. The Middle East would do well with a few figureheads who suppress their 'people' and give us oil - cheaply.

                            Again, not a news flash by any stretch
                            This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the quotes provided by Kepler. So, we have a handful of brutal, terrible individuals that are keeping a collection of people under their thumb through murder and terror, and included in the collection of suppressed people are groups who are bitter at the U.S. for assisting/facilitating the dictator to remain in power, but that's the choice we should make because it's better to let a thug keep these monkeys in line than opening the cage to the zoo? Doesn't sound like a great solution either way.
                            That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                            • #74
                              Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

                              Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                              This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the quotes provided by Kepler. So, we have a handful of brutal, terrible individuals that are keeping a collection of people under their thumb through murder and terror, and included in the collection of suppressed people are groups who are bitter at the U.S. for assisting/facilitating the dictator to remain in power, but that's the choice we should make because it's better to let a thug keep these monkeys in line than opening the cage to the zoo? Doesn't sound like a great solution either way.
                              That's the thing about grown-up decision making. Even a child can choose between good and bad - it takes an adult to choose correctly between a range of bad alternatives. In this case, you're right that it's a lousy alternative, but it sure beats what we've been doing or the 3rd option of nuking them and starting over.
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                              • #75
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                                Problem is the normal people have been suppressed forever and don't rally have the wherewithal to take control. If we "collective we - US Europe demo-Asia" could have siphoned off refugees over years we could offer hope in a new world for them.

                                What is is said about a vacuum???

                                Iraq W2 only worked if the US stayed and made it Puerto Rico. Neither side wanted to hand hold (or win).
                                It was dumb going there, but equally as dumb to pull out en masse like we did. Oil coulda paid for us to stay and drone off the bad guys and welcome the locals into the 19th century. The the 20th before the 21st.
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