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    Apple is also manufacturing, but in true yankee style, is set apart by total solution level innovation.
    What does this mean?
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    Having said that, I am of the belief that they way the Chinese people are treated (including their unrepresentative government) leads to a stifling of ingenuity. So China has a tailwind due to population and a low starting base...but there's a ceiling of just what individual Chinese can do on their own due to creative disadvantages in China itself.
    I think entrepreneurship and ingenuity will out, like life in the sidewalk cracks. Also Chinese culture is hella ambitious and materialistic. When they get their Silicon (I dunno... Desert?) up and running I assume they will leave us in the dust.
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    I find this story comforting. All around the world, same song.

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    What does this mean?
    Gucci has been there forever while Toyota just makes such darn good cars. But neither recreates industries. While Apple also excels at design, it introduced the current mobile phone concept to the world and digital media as well. New products revolutionize brands. Samsung went from a second tier brand to the global leader in TVs primarily because it led first the HDTV and then flat panel revolution (and was a fast follower in mobile phones). But it didn't really create these concepts. Apple changed the way things are done and introduced those. Wholesale change that I couldn't have imagined happening anywhere else, which puts it ahead of even a Samsung conglomerate.

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    I think entrepreneurship and ingenuity will out, like life in the sidewalk cracks. Also Chinese culture is hella ambitious and materialistic. When they get their Silicon (I dunno... Desert?) up and running I assume they will leave us in the dust.
    Potentially. But between the lower quality of higher education and the low hanging fruit of just delivering basic services...there's just headwinds there. The US has a diversity and growth engine attracting the best and brightest around the world. The US isn't following the old British model of exploitation but rather the older Roman model inviting the best foreigners to be on our team. And the Roman empire lasted a long, long time. China may end up matching us in top level innovation, but I don't expect it to happen for a 100 years.
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    The US isn't following the old British model of exploitation but rather the older Roman model inviting the best foreigners to be on our team. And the Roman empire lasted a long, long time.
    Hmm. There are about 36 dissertation topics in that statement. :-) I'm really going to have to think about that for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Gucci has been there forever while Toyota just makes such darn good cars. But neither recreates industries. While Apple also excels at design, it introduced the current mobile phone concept to the world and digital media as well. New products revolutionize brands. Samsung went from a second tier brand to the global leader in TVs primarily because it led first the HDTV and then flat panel revolution (and was a fast follower in mobile phones). But it didn't really create these concepts. Apple changed the way things are done and introduced those. Wholesale change that I couldn't have imagined happening anywhere else, which puts it ahead of even a Samsung conglomerate.



    Potentially. But between the lower quality of higher education and the low hanging fruit of just delivering basic services...there's just headwinds there. The US has a diversity and growth engine attracting the best and brightest around the world. The US isn't following the old British model of exploitation but rather the older Roman model inviting the best foreigners to be on our team. And the Roman empire lasted a long, long time. China may end up matching us in top level innovation, but I don't expect it to happen for a 100 years.
    I just want to say that as an Apple iPhone, iPad and Apple TV fan, they didn't really create new markets for any of their products. Steve Jobs took existing product ideas, made a twist on them to make them more easily understood or usable by the Average Joe, and reaped the rewards. Smart phones existed prior to the iPhone. Tablet computers were on the market and failed prior to the iPad, and a la carte TV was discussed as an option back more than 10 years ago, well before Apple got into the game. Apple's innovation has been mostly in its UI presentation, build standards, and how it controls product distribution.
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    Hmm. There are about 36 dissertation topics in that statement. :-) I'm really going to have to think about that for a while.
    The Roman empire had the best quality of life (though fresh water, etc), they were able to make themselves very happy through (like games, etc) and had the wealthy who both inspired and generated opportunities for others. This created the attraction for the most talented. When they invaded provinces, they offered citizenship to the locals. This drove growth and development for centuries. Early on there was representative government, but it became corrupted. Ultimately they A) ran out of talent to join the ranks B) ran into lots of enemies. The pro for the US in this scenario is that we have limitless amount of talent we can educate and co opt...and that the number of our enemies are finite. The con for the US is that the cycle of change is much, much greater heightening the difficulty to stay on top. Its a reasonable analogy...which I still think puts us at about 100 years of innovation ascendancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    I just want to say that as an Apple iPhone, iPad and Apple TV fan, they didn't really create new markets for any of their products. Steve Jobs took existing product ideas, made a twist on them to make them more easily understood or usable by the Average Joe, and reaped the rewards. Smart phones existed prior to the iPhone. Tablet computers were on the market and failed prior to the iPad, and a la carte TV was discussed as an option back more than 10 years ago, well before Apple got into the game. Apple's innovation has been mostly in its UI presentation, build standards, and how it controls product distribution.
    You bet. Most of these technologies existed for years. MP3 another example was initiated by a small consortium. Apple just made these technologies an indispensable part of our daily lives.
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    China is an economic paper tiger that does not have the current 'business infrastructure' to sustain their current growth spurt. Outside the coastal areas booming with growth the vast majority of its populace lives in 3rd world conditions. They could only hope to make India or most of Central America envious. China has gene editing and 5G telephony, but even then the majority of their experts spent time in Silicon Valley. Even a large chunk of their exports include parts they have to import for assembly, and most of these companies are not Chinese owned. The US dwarfs China annually for registered patents as well as intellectual property. And their government continues to pour billions into state-owned companies that lack innovation and efficiency. Even looking to their military they're light years behind the West.

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    China is an economic paper tiger that does not have the current 'business infrastructure' to sustain their current growth spurt. Outside the coastal areas booming with growth the vast majority of its populace lives in 3rd world conditions. They could only hope to make India or most of Central America envious. China has gene editing and 5G telephony, but even then the majority of their experts spent time in Silicon Valley. Even a large chunk of their exports include parts they have to import for assembly, and most of these companies are not Chinese owned. The US dwarfs China annually for registered patents as well as intellectual property. And their government continues to pour billions into state-owned companies that lack innovation and efficiency. Even looking to their military they're light years behind the West.
    Also saw on 60 minutes that they've built massive infrastructure in certain places and all the housing is empty cause no one can afford to live there. That's a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    China is an economic paper tiger that does not have the current 'business infrastructure' to sustain their current growth spurt. Outside the coastal areas booming with growth the vast majority of its populace lives in 3rd world conditions.
    This was true of the United States right up until the New Deal.
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    This was true of the United States right up until the New Deal.
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    The number one thing that the Republicans want to destroy.
    It's really hard to bring the Manorial system of the Ante Bellum South to the broader US when the population can read and write, owns land, and knows their rights. Another couple decades of Republican economic policy should reduce the average American worker to the status of a bondservant, and then the plutes will have won.

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    The US was an up an comer with legitimate potential Kep. The foundation and available resources alone are not comparable and there are several other measuring sticks as already noted that dispel they're waiting in the weeds to pounce. I know you love to rail on 'Murica and we're surely far from perfect, but our imperfections won't help China overcome those deficits.

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    Interesting... very interesting... https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...house-bill/193

    It's a decent idea, but comes at a great risk. If we "want back in" when a globalist takes over (as much as I'd like to see globalism completely die off, a part of me just knows better), we lose the security council clout.
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    I just found this site and can't vouch for whether it's serious or just part of the MIC food chain, but this is an interesting piece.

    U.S. leaders and policymakers should understand that a preemptive Chinese missile strike against the forward bases that underpin U.S. military power in the Western Pacific is a very real possibility, particularly if China believes its claimed core strategic interests are threatened in the course of a crisis and perceives that its attempts at deterrence have failed. Such a preemptive strike appears consistent with available information about China’s missile force doctrine, and the satellite imagery shown below points to what may be real-world efforts to practice its execution.
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    Yikes. Duck and cover, everyone.

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    I just found this site and can't vouch for whether it's serious or just part of the MIC food chain, but this is an interesting piece.
    A preemptive missile strike is a 'real possibility' but not likely. Sure, China is not fully developed and will always be challenged on technology. But its your century, why not wait it out and be satisfied with long term market domination?

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    A preemptive missile strike is a 'real possibility' but not likely. Sure, China is not fully developed and will always be challenged on technology. But its your century, why not wait it out and be satisfied with long term market domination?
    I agree with this. The Chinese know "tomorrow belongs to me." They have no ideology about making the world safe for {excuse for imperialism}. Their religion doesn't care what religion you are. They're not going to screw it up.
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