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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    We stole Poland, they get Ukraine. Fair's fair.
    Considering there's a good chance that Poland, or Ukraine, represent a good percentage of my genes, what exactly do you mean by that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Considering there's a good chance that Poland, or Ukraine, represent a good percentage of my genes, what exactly do you mean by that?
    I mean there are enough Poles in Chicago and Pittsburgh to stand up against the Russians, but there aren't enough Ukrainians, Belarus, or Ruthenians. And before you invoke your ancestors mine are Slovak and they're not on the right side of the line, either.

    We're actually in much better shape than during the Warsaw Pact. The East Germans, the Poles, and the Czechs are all safe and sound. Baby steps.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I mean there are enough Poles in Chicago and Pittsburgh to stand up against the Russians, but there aren't enough Ukrainians, Belarus, or Ruthenians. And before you invoke your ancestors mine are Slovak and they're not on the right side of the line, either.

    We're actually in much better shape than during the Warsaw Pact. The East Germans, the Poles, and the Czechs are all safe and sound. Baby steps.
    Are you just talking about immigrants? That's what I get out of this. In which case, you're probably right.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    Didn't Russia "steal" Poland first?

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    Are you just talking about immigrants? That's what I get out of this. In which case, you're probably right.
    Yes. Senator Bedfellow aint taking a tough vote for the Torbesh and the Crimean Tatars in his state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Didn't Russia "steal" Poland first?
    Those guys go way back. There was a time, and not even that long ago (400 years) when the Poles were serious badas-ses. The Poles had bad timing and ran into Peak Gustavus Adolphus the Great, or it might have been they and the Lithuanians running Eastern Europe from the Baltic all the way to the Black Sea instead of that backwards Muscovite trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    it might have been them and the Lithuanians running Eastern Europe from the Baltic all the way to the Black Sea.
    Holy sheet, really?
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    Holy sheet, really?
    Largest kingdom in Europe by land area at one point.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

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    Largest kingdom in Europe by land area at one point.
    Huh. Wiki says it peaked in the early 17th century, so 1600s. And they had joint rulers? Wow.

    Do you know if there are books about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Huh. Wiki says it peaked in the early 17th century, so 1600s. And they had joint rulers? Wow.

    Do you know if there are books about it?
    I suspect there are, but I haven't run into a good one yet and I really hunt hard for histories of Eastern Europe (some people collect stamps...). If you find one please let me know.

    Sadly some of the best historical information is in books about the Prussian push east and the Russian push west. Poland was caught in that vice and the Habsburgs weren't smart enough to realize a strong Poland was their only way to stay relevant.

    The other interesting thing is the Poles had a moment when their throne was up for grabs (as it often was) in which they could have chosen to go with the Bohemian elector. Had they done that, they might have been able to build a very strong commercial power with access to the Baltic and the Danube, and they might have been in the running for the smaller German states when Prussia and Hanover started rolling up the small fry into the German Empire. Bavaria at least would probably have gone with them, and that's a pretty strong secondary right there. Woulda coulda shoulda.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    I'd give them 2 weeks, tops, Senator.

    @haaretzcom: McCain to Vladimir Putin, 'You will never defeat the Ukrainian people'
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I'd give them 2 weeks, tops, Senator.

    @haaretzcom: McCain to Vladimir Putin, 'You will never defeat the Ukrainian people'
    http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.762442
    And that's being very generous to the Ukes. ("Did he say 'Ukes'?") Ukraine looks like an excellent place to test Russian T-90 tanks: 3/4s of the country are Northern Lowlands and Coastal Lowlands, including a straight shot from the Soviet, er, Russian border to Kiev. Not to mention that Moldova to the south has a Russian minority that wants to rejoin the Motherland, and Belarus in the north is a Stalinist leftover more obsequious to Putin than Trump.

    The West of the country hates the Russians but the East is pro-Russian and would probably welcome them as, well, you know... In all probability you'd get a partition where the West would call itself the legitimate Ukraine and join NATO and the EU, and the East would join whatever Putin is going to call his Co-Prosperity sphere. He's 65 this year and not getting any younger. If he wants to make the Big Move, clock's ticking, and he'll literally NEVER have a better opportunity with his unwitting dupe in the White House.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    At this point, can we just agree that to the incoming administration, ALL policy is "foreign?"

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    Interesting.

    The editor of one of France’s most popular newspapers has said he will stop commissioning opinion polls ahead of next year’s presidential election, citing pollsters’ failure to predict Brexit or November’s US election.

    Stéphane Albouy, who heads Le Parisien and its sister title Aujourd’hui en France ... said he wanted his journalists to focus on “on the ground reporting” instead of relying on surveys.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Very.

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    Nothing wrong with polling; just don't oversample, like they got caught doing in 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Nothing wrong with polling; just don't oversample, like they got caught doing in 2016.
    No, but any changes that might draw some of the media's attention away from the pure horserace aspect of campaigns might leave room for a little policy discussion. (Ducks down for Scooby incoming)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Nothing wrong with polling; just don't oversample, like they got caught doing in 2016.
    Media polls (like anything else about media) is about drawing interest and related publicity. He may be advancing a subtle philosophy, but he's making a small but bad business decision.
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    So we're gonna have a Russian stooge in the White House. What could go wrong?
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    Putin wants all the 'Stans under his thumb just to prevent Afghanistan from becoming another terror breeding ground that could spill over into Turkmenistan, which has large, untapped reserves of oil and gas that I'm sure Russia and China have been plotting to loot for years. Also, so maybe he'll be in a better position to exert more influence over Tehran. Particularly if the Trump administration tears up Obama's deal, and the US goes back to square one with Iran.
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