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    The Saudis have their own Kushner.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

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    The Saudis have their own Kushner.
    The Saudi monarch, who holds near absolute powers, quickly awarded his son expansive powers to the surprise of many within the royal family who are more senior and more experienced than Mohammed bin Salman, also known by his initials MBS.
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    The monkeys are at it again.
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    Look, 50 thousand people who are about to fall out of windows.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

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    Look, 50 thousand people who are about to fall out of windows.
    That takes balls. Erdogan does not take kindly to such things, and he keeps getting more and more power do just about anything he wants.

    And God that must be a miserable march.

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    That takes balls. Erdogan does not take kindly to such things, and he keeps getting more and more power do just about anything he wants.

    And God that must be a miserable march.
    Interesting though that the pro-government people along the route are echoing Erdogen's talking points, just like the pro-Trump people here do.

    They're the same people, they just were born there rather than here. There is an authoritarian personality type that is a (fairly large, apparently) subset of conservatism, and it craves an iron hand.

    Parents, they argued, bring about authoritarianism by frequently and seriously punishing and shaming their children for even minor offences. This makes them hostile to adults and all authority figures in power. The child does not consciously acknowledge this aggression because it simply lead to more punishment. Also they are dependent on their parents whom they are supposed to love, which can cause great tension.

    Thus, so the theory goes, those exposed to authoritarian, rather than authoritative, parenting have their repressed antagonism displaced and projected onto weaker members of society.

    Authoritarians are nearly always ethnocentric in that they have a certain, simple and unshakable belief in the superiority of their own racial, cultural and ethnic group with a powerful disclaim for all those in other groups. This can easily lead to brutality, aggression and naked open prejudice.
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    Re: US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Interesting though that the pro-government people along the route are echoing Erdogen's talking points, just like the pro-Trump people here do.

    They're the same people, they just were born there rather than here. There is an authoritarian personality type that is a (fairly large, apparently) subset of conservatism, and it craves an iron hand.
    It's true, we've seen it in Russia for centuries - probably 75-80% of their population prefers a strongman. They just change names and regimes every so often, depending on how much starving the proles have been doing lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    It's true, we've seen it in Russia for centuries - probably 75-80% of their population prefers a strongman. They just change names and regimes every so often, depending on how much starving the proles have been doing lately.
    Many people want to be left alone, have enough to eat, a nice roof over their heads, good schools, safery of person and family, and a reasonably good standard of living. The form of government is immaterial to them.

    Republicanism works here. Democracy works in other places. Authoritarianism works for others.

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    Many people want to be left alone, have enough to eat, a nice roof over their heads, good schools, safery of person and family, and a reasonably good standard of living. The form of government is immaterial to them.
    I'd say that is true of most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Many people want to be left alone, have enough to eat, a nice roof over their heads, good schools, safery of person and family, and a reasonably good standard of living. The form of government is immaterial to them.

    Republicanism works here. Democracy works in other places. Authoritarianism works for others.
    I do not know whether a majority of Americans would choose to fight for democratic government if an authoritarian regime assured them 3 hots, a cot, and superior treatment to some convenient Out group they could then lord it over.

    Arguably the white South made that bargain a century ago and has never looked back.
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