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    Now where were we?

    unofan - if the Court won't address/validate that a marriage in Massachusetts is a marriage in Mississippi when it comes to ssm, will that give a loophole to a state that may have a different minimum marriage age to say the Mike and Sally are not married and can Mike be arrested for child endangerment?

    To me Solomon's choice is to allow States to regulate marriage as they seem fit but recognize that any legal marriage is a legal marriage in all the States. It's a win/win for all sides.

    Otherwise I am afraid that Pandora's box has been opened and every form of marriage will be legal as long as the plaintiffs can make a 14th Amendment case.
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    Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

    Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VI - Roberts rules disorder

    Originally posted by unofan

    Last up is a takings clause case involving raisins. Roberts writes for the court in a 5-4 split at least in part, this time with the conservatives winning. Can't tell whether parts were 8-1 or not.

    Government must compensate owners of personal property just as it does real property.
    80 years later, one of the more egregious excesses of the New Deal is finally reined in, eh?

    eh, not so much, after all. a narrow technical ruling. 8 - 1 on the overall concept, 5 - 3 on the practical details on how to implement.


    and no "sour grapes", eh?
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      Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

      Originally posted by joecct View Post
      To me Solomon's choice is to allow States to regulate marriage as they seem fit but recognize that any legal marriage is a legal marriage in all the States. It's a win/win for all sides.
      No it's pointless hypocritical posturing by ****ty bigoted states still desperately clinging to "separate but equal".

      Otherwise I am afraid that Pandora's box has been opened and every form of marriage will be legal as long as the plaintiffs can make a 14th Amendment case.
      Do you have a height requirement to ride this ridiculous slippery slope?

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        Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        To me Solomon's choice is to allow States to regulate marriage as they seem fit but recognize that any legal marriage is a legal marriage in all the States. It's a win/win for all sides.

        Otherwise I am afraid that Pandora's box has been opened and every form of marriage will be legal as long as the plaintiffs can make a 14th Amendment case.
        I want to kill Kanye and Kim. They don't want me to. So Solomon's choice is I get to kill, but just Kanye?

        (thinks about it)

        OK, bad example...

        I just don't buy the box turtle argument. The only place I think it gets a little weird is n-partner unions, and that's a fight for 2050. Today, we've gotten to where we can accept that gays and straights shall be equal before the law. There are still plenty of countries that hold on to the "traditional values," if it means that much to somebody.
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          Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

          Originally posted by unofan
          Others have threatened to pull their state out of the marriage business altogether, otherwise known as the "taking their ball and going home" defense. That might be legal though it would have a flurry of challenges since marriage is recognized as a fundamental right. I also don't believe the political will to actually go through with that exists. Are you really gonna tell millions of people they can't get married out of spite towards the gays?
          Middle class and poor Republicans just spent 30 years screwing their own children out of spite towards the blacks. It is entirely possible.
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            Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

            Originally posted by joecct View Post
            Now where were we?

            unofan - if the Court won't address/validate that a marriage in Massachusetts is a marriage in Mississippi when it comes to ssm, will that give a loophole to a state that may have a different minimum marriage age to say the Mike and Sally are not married and can Mike be arrested for child endangerment?

            To me Solomon's choice is to allow States to regulate marriage as they seem fit but recognize that any legal marriage is a legal marriage in all the States. It's a win/win for all sides.

            Otherwise I am afraid that Pandora's box has been opened and every form of marriage will be legal as long as the plaintiffs can make a 14th Amendment case.
            Pandora's Boxes will be dealt with the by adults who have to pick up the pieces and try to make yet another burst of social engineering work. The folks who push stuff rarely think about such details.
            Originally posted by Priceless
            Good to see you're so reasonable.
            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
            Very well, said.
            Originally posted by Rover
            A fair assessment Bob.

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              Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

              Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
              Pandora's Boxes will be dealt with the by adults who have to pick up the pieces and try to make yet another burst of social engineering work. The folks who push stuff rarely think about such details.
              I'll say. Look what happened when we let women vote: child labor laws.

              The horror. The horror.
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                Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

                Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                Pandora's Boxes will be dealt with the by adults who have to pick up the pieces and try to make yet another burst of social engineering work. The folks who push stuff rarely think about such details.
                Yep. They never should have allowed Whitie to marry Blackie.
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                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Otherwise I am afraid that Pandora's box has been opened and every form of marriage will be legal as long as the plaintiffs can make a 14th Amendment case.
                  And this bothers you? By your own premise, such marriages will only be allowed if they can make a valid 14th Amendment case. If they can, why would you be against it?

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                    Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

                    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                    Pandora's Boxes will be dealt with the by adults who have to pick up the pieces and try to make yet another burst of social engineering work. The folks who push stuff rarely think about such details.
                    Bob, I'm disappointed in you! Where is the "Next thing you know you'll be able to marry your dog" statement?
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                      Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      I'll say. Look what happened when we let women vote: child labor laws.

                      The horror. The horror.
                      You've tried those unrelated comparisons before (and others). Still not biting.
                      Originally posted by Priceless
                      Good to see you're so reasonable.
                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                      Very well, said.
                      Originally posted by Rover
                      A fair assessment Bob.

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                        Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

                        Originally posted by Rover View Post
                        Bob, I'm disappointed in you! Where is the "Next thing you know you'll be able to marry your dog" statement?
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                          Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

                          Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                          You've tried those unrelated comparisons before (and others). Still not biting.
                          You not accepting an analogy isn't the same thing as the analogy being false.

                          Homophobia is just like racism and sexism. It's an iron power relation fist in a velvet religious glove. And just like racism and sexism, when it is overturned legally the people who hold on to it won't magically change their minds. And some of them will pass it on to their kids. But little by little, as the generations pass, it will die out.

                          And this is a good thing.
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                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            You not accepting an analogy isn't the same thing as the analogy being false.

                            Homophobia is just like racism and sexism. It's an iron power relation fist in a velvet religious glove. And just like racism and sexism, when it is overturned legally the people who hold on to it won't magically change their minds. And some of them will pass it on to their kids. But little by little, as the generations pass, it will die out.

                            And this is a good thing.
                            Kep

                            I am not homophobic. I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
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                              Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

                              Originally posted by joecct View Post
                              Kep

                              I am not homophobic. I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
                              You don't get to define what you are or aren't. They do. Or at least they've convinced themselves that they do. Scare tactics and intimidation work on some people, not on others.
                              Originally posted by Priceless
                              Good to see you're so reasonable.
                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                              Very well, said.
                              Originally posted by Rover
                              A fair assessment Bob.

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