Best current Ivy League Womens programs?

[Timothy A]

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Fixed yer post.....but my response to yer post is.....

AAA = All About Academics....If you are good enough to get into an Ivy and you can make the Financials work for you.....Go for it. !!!!

I was telling her dad to take her out west...save some cash, still get a great education, head west. It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

[pokechecker]

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It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

exactly

and besides:

You are gonna be slaving away at your job for the next 40 years, so I say if you have the opportunity to go for brass ring in hockey, do it. When you are shackled to your desk slaving away at a job you’ll be glad you did. The person who goes to the inferior hockey school will have to dream about what might have been. Earning money, promotions, impressive job title, blah, blah, that’s all bull****, you cannot buy your way to go back in time. Once the opportunity has passed, you’ll never have another chance.

And keep in mind if your resume says All-American, NCAA Champion, and other things of that nature, you’ll likely get the job ahead of the hordes of people that just list the same degree everyone else has.

[HockeyEast33]

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exactly

and besides:

You are gonna be slaving away at your job for the next 40 years, so I say if you have the opportunity to go for brass ring in hockey, do it. When you are shackled to your desk slaving away at a job you’ll be glad you did. The person who goes to the inferior hockey school will have to dream about what might have been. Earning money, promotions, impressive job title, blah, blah, that’s all bull****, you cannot buy your way to go back in time. Once the opportunity has passed, you’ll never have another chance.

And keep in mind if your resume says All-American, NCAA Champion, and other things of that nature, you’ll likely get the job ahead of the hordes of people that just list the same degree everyone else has.

Generally, couldn't disagree with your line of thinking more. Unless you're planning on coaching hockey for a living (nothing wrong with that!), the impact of D1 or D3 women's ice hockey accomplishments - All-American, NCAA champion, etc. - in boosting your resume and job prospects is effectively over after about 2 years or so. I know a D1 All-American with a degree who works on the dock in a warehouse for a living - not exactly what most college students aspire to. The skills you hopefully acquired playing D1 or D3 hockey (good presentation skills, effective communication, teamwork, etc.) will always help you but can be learned at any quality of hockey school. Having an Ivy League degree is something that will improve your prospects and opportunities for your whole life - if you don't have one, then talk to someone who does - it stills opens doors when you're in your 50's and 60's if you want it to. College ice hockey is merely a step on your hopefully ever better path in life - your line of thinking suggests it is the apex and everything after sucks - listen to Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days to see how that turns out - sadly.

[HockeyEast33]

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Did Dennis leave or retire? Where is Lonergan playing next year?

UCONN Fan - what's up - you guys out?

[pokechecker]

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I know a D1 All-American with a degree who works on the dock in a warehouse for a living - not exactly what most college students aspire to.

it is worth repeating in case you missed it

It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

an Ivy degree might be valuable out east or in Ontario, but here all it means is that: 1) mommy & daddy have old money, or
2) mommy & daddy have new money & want to rub elbows with the old, or
3) you couldn't make it out east so had to come home

[OnMAA]

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It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

100% percent agree with that...however.. If an applicant has a great GPA using a tough curriculum AND has played varsity...I would choose the Ivy candidate over the other school candidate....in other words if all else is equal, the quality of the school is a definite factor...

[OnMAA]

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You are gonna be slaving away at your job for the next 40 years, so I say if you have the opportunity to go for brass ring in hockey, do it. When you are shackled to your desk slaving away at a job you’ll be glad you did. The person who goes to the inferior hockey school will have to dream about what might have been. Earning money, promotions, impressive job title, blah, blah, that’s all bull****, you cannot buy your way to go back in time. Once the opportunity has passed, you’ll never have another chance.

That all depends on your objectives. Some are driven by wanting athletic success and dream about it. For some it is the be all end all. Others are driven by different objectives, but still play the sport at a high level cause they love it. Take my own kids for example. They loved sports when they were young. They still love sport, competition and camaraderie to this day post grad. Both developed a dream to become doctors, so they could make the world a better place. This was driven by family circumstance and the loss of their younger sister. It still defines them to this day, and once they had that experience, their dreams changed, big time. Sports and play was no longer the be all end all for them.

And keep in mind if your resume says All-American, NCAA Champion, and other things of that nature, you’ll likely get the job ahead of the hordes of people that just list the same degree everyone else has.

Not necessarily. Some may see having an athlete that has focus on other things as a hindrance in hiring. If a non-athletic type is doing the hiring, they may dismiss it as not important.

[pokechecker]

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If a non-athletic type is doing the hiring, they may dismiss it as not important.

if they dismiss it as being unimportant, you likely don't want to work for them

there are a lot of places you wouldn't want to work at, and a lot of people you wouldn't want to work for

if you have proven to be a champion/All American on the ice, which also requires being a champion/All American off the ice

and they fail to grasp that, they are probably looking for someone way beneath your talents anyway, a butt kisser or someone who cannot think for themselves, why waste the time, get a decent job/good manager, life is too short for people and places like that

[dad77]

They all play in older rinks that are pretty much empty when the women play.

What is the thought on Browns new coach?

[Timothy A]

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100% percent agree with that...however.. If an applicant has a great GPA using a tough curriculum AND has played varsity...I would choose the Ivy candidate over the other school candidate....in other words if all else is equal, the quality of the school is a definite factor...

A resume is a starting point of conversation. I think in the interview you'd be able give one the edge over another w/o taking into consideration where they went to school.

[HockeyEast33]

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What is the thought on Browns new coach?

Read the 2015-2016 Coaching Changes thread to see people's opinions.

[ARM]

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A resume is a starting point of conversation. I think in the interview you'd be able give one the edge over another w/o taking into consideration where they went to school.

I agree. If the applicant is banking on the school making a difference while in the interview, that is a negative rather than a positive. You hire the candidate, not the school, and in an interview, all else is never equal.

[Blackbeard]

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if they dismiss it as being unimportant, you likely don't want to work for them

there are a lot of places you wouldn't want to work at, and a lot of people you wouldn't want to work for

if you have proven to be a champion/All American on the ice, which also requires being a champion/All American off the ice

and they fail to grasp that, they are probably looking for someone way beneath your talents anyway, a butt kisser or someone who cannot think for themselves, why waste the time, get a decent job/good manager, life is too short for people and places like that

Trillium and I had a discussion several years ago about your comments about going for it that you expressed in a previous post in this thread and were in agreement with this thinking.

I completely agree with the above captioned post.

Why would a high need achiever want to work for a low need achiever employer (at least as portrayed by the recruiter in this discussion) when there should be enough clued in employers who recognize the difference and the benefit that would accrue to their organization/firm from the positive contribution that a proven high need achiever can bring simply because they (the high need achievers) live and function in that mental space?...meaning a success mentality.

[pokechecker]

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Why would a kid that has spent the last 15 years trying to be the best hockey player they can be suddenly give up and decide their new goal in life is to sit in a cube working at some mundane job where they will wear the same clothes, drive the same car, and eat the same food as everyone else when they could be playing hockey for a championship or to earn a berth on the Olympic team?

I’ll tell you, someone who realizes they really aren’t all that good. Nothing wrong with that, being able to look in the mirror and see the real you is something that escapes many of us. But if they look in the mirror and see someone that wants, and is capable to reach the epitome of women’s hockey, they will pick the school they believe will help them realize that goal.

This is no different than the kid who wants to be a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, or anything else.

[Hello]

Why would a kid that has spent the last 15 years trying to be the best hockey player they can be suddenly give up and decide their new goal in life is to sit in a cube working at some mundane job where they will wear the same clothes, drive the same car, and eat the same food as everyone else when they could be playing hockey for a championship or to earn a berth on the Olympic team?

I’ll tell you, someone who realizes they really aren’t all that good. Nothing wrong with that, being able to look in the mirror and see the real you is something that escapes many of us. But if they look in the mirror and see someone that wants, and is capable to reach the epitome of women’s hockey, they will pick the school they believe will help them realize that goal.

This is no different than the kid who wants to be a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, or anything else.

You should probably go back and do the math on how many National Team players (since the time women's hockey was first sponsored as an Olympic sport) graduated from an Ivy school. Only the exceptional few can do it, and I highly doubt they are now sitting in a cube working a mundane job. Rather they're more likely moved onto other life's passions and making a lot of money. I'm sure you're smart enough to realize there are a lot of Olympians who've not won a National Championship, I'm also sure you're smart enough to know that being able to afford a quality life (basic needs for that matter) is not currently happening among all CWHL or soon to be NWHL players.