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  • #106
    Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Did she also convince him to cozy up to the Industrial Military Complex?


    I thought he was named after Ayn Rand. Randy? Huh...
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    • #107
      Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      She was protecting herself politically. She knew that when war fever is in the air, most of the population become orangutans throwing their own poop and a politician's best chance is to go along with it. Everybody in DC knew Cheney and his goons had the war on the drawing board for years. It was going to happen and the apes were going to crush anybody who got in the way. So she got out of the way. Pure calculation.

      As Chris Rock said: I don't condone it, but I understand.

      I'll give your girl this. There are worse things to have in the White House than a pragmatist.

      I'm getting a little older, but let me see if I recall all of this...

      From what I remember, the idea (from the Dems) was to give the US military authorization to take action to force the Iraqis to comply with inspections (and possibly regime change). At the point of a gun in the final days before the war started, Hussein did in fact offer unfettered access to his country. Of his many, many, huge mistakes, Bush should have taken him up on his offer, then he would have found no WMD's before 5K US troops and 1T in expenditures happened. Bush wasn't offering to come back for another resolution, so Dems were in a hard place. You either 1) gave the admin the tools to force compliance, with now unrealistic hope the neo-cons would use that authority properly, or you voted against it and if the US did find something, or worse yet Saddam used chemical weapons against our troops, good luck withstanding that. I agree on the pragmatism, but it was more than just getting out of the way. The set up for the war was orchestrated brilliantly, right down to phony intelligence and normally trustworthy partners (Powell, Tony Blair) giving valuable cover to the cons. Hell, Oprah was even on board.
      Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

      Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

      "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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      • #108
        Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

        The things people will do to be president.
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        • #109
          Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

          And God bless Bernie Sanders.

          http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sand...ocial-security
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          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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          • #110
            Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
            And God bless Bernie Sanders.

            http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sand...ocial-security
            I love Bernie, but I'm ready to means-test all of our social programs. Social Security should be insurance against indigence when you can no longer work. If you retire rich, congratulations, you win. Advance to Millionaire Acres. You don't need the check, though, so we're keeping it for somebody who does. Put your big girl panties on and enjoy your slightly less affluent golden years.

            I know Bernie and many liberals believe that tactically the only way to keep social programs funded is to make them entitlements, because people are greedy creeps who won't fund pure charity programs, but I believe we have to combat that selfishness in society, not appease it. And I also believe that if the voters decide to shaft the poors, in a democracy they have that right. Not a country I want to live in, but that's why God made luggage.
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            • #111
              Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              I love Bernie, but I'm ready to means-test all of our social programs. Social Security should be insurance against indigence when you can no longer work. If you retire rich, congratulations, you win. Advance to Millionaire Acres. You don't need the check, though, so we're keeping it for somebody who does. Put your big girl panties on and enjoy your slightly less affluent golden years.

              I know Bernie and many liberals believe that tactically the only way to keep social programs funded is to make them entitlements, because people are greedy creeps who won't fund pure charity programs, but I believe we have to combat that selfishness in society, not appease it. And I also believe that if the voters decide to shaft the poors, in a democracy they have that right. Not a country I want to live in, but that's why God made luggage.
              Well, that's pretty funny because Social Security is the most regressive tax we have. And the rate it's at is only 6% away from Mitt Romney's Federal Rate.
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              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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              • #112
                Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                I love Bernie, but I'm ready to means-test all of our social programs. Social Security should be insurance against indigence when you can no longer work. If you retire rich, congratulations, you win. Advance to Millionaire Acres. You don't need the check, though, so we're keeping it for somebody who does. Put your big girl panties on and enjoy your slightly less affluent golden years.

                I know Bernie and many liberals believe that tactically the only way to keep social programs funded is to make them entitlements, because people are greedy creeps who won't fund pure charity programs, but I believe we have to combat that selfishness in society, not appease it. And I also believe that if the voters decide to shaft the poors, in a democracy they have that right. Not a country I want to live in, but that's why God made luggage.
                I think if you do this for social security especially, it shouldn't be retroactive--meaning you means-test only the amount that was payed in after you decided to add means-testing. There's something not right about telling people that the money they have been paying in for their entire working lives isn't a tax then suddenly telling them "Turns out it was a tax all along." I'm all for strengthening the safety net, but it has to be done the right way.

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                • #113
                  Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                  Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
                  I think if you do this for social security especially, it shouldn't be retroactive--meaning you means-test only the amount that was payed in after you decided to add means-testing. There's something not right about telling people that the money they have been paying in for their entire working lives isn't a tax then suddenly telling them "Turns out it was a tax all along." I'm all for strengthening the safety net, but it has to be done the right way.
                  I'll buy that. But by the same token, then, once you've entered the system they should not be able to raise the collection age. That would be another bait and switch.
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                  • #114
                    Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    Well, that's pretty funny because Social Security is the most regressive tax we have. And the rate it's at is only 6% away from Mitt Romney's Federal Rate.
                    Non sequitur. If you're concerned about progressivism of fiscal policy then if anything you should favor means-testing outlays.

                    BTW, if you're arguing to uncap payroll taxes I'm right there with you.
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                    • #115
                      Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Non sequitur. If you're concerned about progressivism of fiscal policy then if anything you should favor means-testing outlays.

                      BTW, if you're arguing to uncap payroll taxes I'm right there with you.
                      I have no problem with Means Testing. I'm just concerned where the means test is going to fall. They always get the numbers wrong. Middle Class starts too low. Poverty level is WAY WAY WAY too low. Where the middle class ends in my mind isn't high enough.

                      So, it all depends on where the numbers placed.

                      And yes uncapping or at least fixing the cap and the rate is needed greatly.
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                      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                      • #116
                        Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        I'll buy that. But by the same token, then, once you've entered the system they should not be able to raise the collection age. That would be another bait and switch.
                        Yeah, very true. I'm sure principle will have to give somewhere to keep the thing afloat--means-testing is certainly a more pragmatic sacrifice of principle than a blanket change of collection age.

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                        • #117
                          Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                          I have no problem with Means Testing. I'm just concerned where the means test is going to fall. They always get the numbers wrong. Middle Class starts too low. Poverty level is WAY WAY WAY too low. Where the middle class ends in my mind isn't high enough.

                          So, it all depends on where the numbers placed.
                          Disagreement averted. I am disappoint!
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                          • #118
                            Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Disagreement averted. I am disappoint!
                            LOL.

                            Oh, well.
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                            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                            • #119
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                              • #120
                                Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

                                Once again Kepler and I are in agreement.
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