The spread sheet still does not like BU winning HE. BU is in and BU is out.
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Yes haha that is definitely on purpose. I'm gonna run with that haha...
The top 8 should always be correct, the first two out has a bug that needs fixin'. I don't have my laptop with me here in AZ so I'll have to play with it Monday or Tuesday night.
Well, there's always the possibility of litigation due to some form of bias by the PairWise Rankings, although there is a set precedent for Eastern Bias, so I don't know if that claim would fly in court.
"... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling
So, as of tonight, we would assume:
1-MN
2-BC
3-Harv
4-UW
5-QU
6-CCT
7-BU
8-CHA Champ
And, since there are no western teams in the lower part of the bracket, then you have to fly 2. And, you could (although the committee does not have any rules about this, but it does NOT affect anything else) avoid conference games.
CHA @ MN
QU @ UW
CCT @ BC
BU @ Harvard
For all the wrangling, that seems ok. UND makes it in by winning WCHA. That would kick BU out. UND would play at MN, CHA at BC, CCT at Harvard, and QU still at UW. Not as nice, but still ok. Especially since, in that case, UND would have recently beaten MN and/or UW. Give them a rematch then, seems ok.
No, they would not rearrange to avoid intraconference matchups. It affects bracket integrity. The women's handbook has two criteria: 1) Minimize flights (required) and 2) preserve bracket integrity as much as possible without adding flights.
No, they would not rearrange to avoid intraconference matchups. It affects bracket integrity. The women's handbook has two criteria: 1) Minimize flights (required) and 2) preserve bracket integrity as much as possible without adding flights.
Correct, Tony. But look at those RPIs and tell me there really is a difference. It's my understanding the women's committee has more liberty to use their judgment rather than being bound to a difference in the 4th decimal place, like the men's committee is bound. I think they could find reason to seed BU ahead of CCT to avoid playing BU/BC and Harvard/Clarkson again.
All they have to do is say "Hey, the 2 h2h wins by BU seemed stronger to us than the .0006 edge in RPI." Or, it seemed to make more sense in this case to use the individual comparison as a tb, rather than such a small RPI edge. Or, they could say "We looked closely at the UMD/BU comparison, and BU's large RPI edge seemed more important than the slight edge in CommOpp and TUC that UMD had."
Any scenario that has both Minnesota and BC winning their tournaments still leaves BC with an RPI more than .005 better than Minnesota. Given how close the other criteria are, that may be enough for the committee to decide to set up a potential Minnesota/Wisconsin semi-final if that's what they really want.
Any scenario that has both Minnesota and BC winning their tournaments still leaves BC with an RPI more than .005 better than Minnesota. Given how close the other criteria are, that may be enough for the committee to decide to set up a potential Minnesota/Wisconsin semi-final if that's what they really want.
Makes sense Eeyore. Any scenario with UM and BC winning their tourneys also leaves UW in limbo. For example, if Harvard loses their semi, and UW loses the final to Minny, what happens to the 3/4 seeds? That whole business is still way up for grabs. Also, what if UND beats UW, and then Minny wins. If QU beats HU, can QU climb to 4th, and host?
Correct, Tony. But look at those RPIs and tell me there really is a difference. It's my understanding the women's committee has more liberty to use their judgment rather than being bound to a difference in the 4th decimal place, like the men's committee is bound. I think they could find reason to seed BU ahead of CCT to avoid playing BU/BC and Harvard/Clarkson again.
All they have to do is say "Hey, the 2 h2h wins by BU seemed stronger to us than the .0006 edge in RPI." Or, it seemed to make more sense in this case to use the individual comparison as a tb, rather than such a small RPI edge. Or, they could say "We looked closely at the UMD/BU comparison, and BU's large RPI edge seemed more important than the slight edge in CommOpp and TUC that UMD had."
Or, am I wrong and they can't do that?
There is absolutely no directive nor mention to avoid intraconference matchups. They will keep bracket integrity because that's what the handbook tells them to do.
Ranking one team higher than another because of a big RPI difference despite losing the comparison is another story, however, because the handbook gives them that leeway. But that would be their justification -- teams were ranked differently, not because it gives the committee a more favorable bracket but becauae they deemed BU to be ranked higher than Clarkson.
Having said all that, I don't know what the threshold would be to tinker with the rankings. Personally I would prefer the rules be cut and dried rather than decided in a smoke filled room, despite the fact that such a decision (i.e. BC is #1 despite losing the comparison to UM because of RPI) would benefit BC this year.
I think the RPI difference has to be bigger than something like .005, which really isn't that large, before that would override the other criteria. If the committee would shift to only looking at RPI that easily, then it doesn't make sense to even have other criteria. Now if the RPI is several games different, then that is another matter, but in this case, it wouldn't be.
"... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling
Oh I totally agree. I think the Clarkson/UMD pick would have been the one to watch for until the MIGHTY MIDJI came back to win, particularly given that Clarkson won its conference's regular season title.
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