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  • #46
    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    Sullivan wins AK. Now +8.

    So who is going to pay goalie for the next two years and block the attempts of the other's excess? The President or the Congress?
    I understand why they're calling it, but there's still like 30,000+ votes to count.
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    • #47
      Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

      Originally posted by joecct View Post
      So who is going to pay goalie for the next two years and block the attempts of the other's excess? The President or the Congress?
      Not sure we're going to see much excess from either side. It isn't like either has much of an agenda at this point. The real show is going to be the far right vs the farther right. Will they be smart and not fight in front of the voters, or will they immediately start jockeying for position and eating each other for breakfast.
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      • #48
        Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        Not sure we're going to see much excess from either side. It isn't like either has much of an agenda at this point. The real show is going to be the far right vs the farther right. Will they be smart and not fight in front of the voters, or will they immediately start jockeying for position and eating each other for breakfast.
        I think both the Executive and Legislative will try for one big one just to look good for their base and then we'll have finger pointing for a while before 2016 disease kicks in and both sides lose their sanity.

        There was an interesting article a few days ago (forget where. Post?) that the recent mid terms deprived the Democrats of a succession plan. The in charge folks are getting there in age and the logical replacements that could be groomed are no longer in the congress.
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        • #49
          Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          before 2016 disease kicks in and both sides lose their sanity.
          This assumes that our congresshumans still have any shred of sanity left.

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          • #50
            Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

            There was an interesting article a few days ago (forget where. Post?) that the recent mid terms deprived the Democrats of a succession plan. The in charge folks are getting there in age and the logical replacements that could be groomed are no longer in the congress.
            That second point is interesting but it's double-edged. When you "lose a generation" it sucks at the time but it also inoculates the next generation from the sins of their fathers, both across party lines (when you're the minority you can just hurl brickbats, you have no meaningful record to defend) and within the party (with failing hands they pass the torch to... whoops... nobody. The next generation starts with a clean slate). I think this is one reason why parties are able to rebound fairly quickly. The incumbent party accumulates mistakes and the guys in power don't retire because they have the cherry committee slots. The opposition party sheds older members who have lost chairmanships and have no stomach for the diminution of their power, clearing the field. (It would be easy to test empirically: are majority parties "older" than minority parties?)
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            • #51
              Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

              Boston Globe is reporting that Elizabeth "Liarwatha" Warren will be put forward for a "significant" leadership post.

              Whatever it is, Reid, Durbin, Schumer, & Murray are reported not to be going anywhere.
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              • #52
                Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                That second point is interesting but it's double-edged. When you "lose a generation" it sucks at the time but it also inoculates the next generation from the sins of their fathers, both across party lines (when you're the minority you can just hurl brickbats, you have no meaningful record to defend) and within the party (with failing hands they pass the torch to... whoops... nobody. The next generation starts with a clean slate). I think this is one reason why parties are able to rebound fairly quickly. The incumbent party accumulates mistakes and the guys in power don't retire because they have the cherry committee slots. The opposition party sheds older members who have lost chairmanships and have no stomach for the diminution of their power, clearing the field. (It would be easy to test empirically: are majority parties "older" than minority parties?)
                Succession plan stuff is a decent point but somewhat irrelevant. Lets say Dems had a great 2014 election. Their strongest nominee in 2016 was still going to be Hillary Clinton regardless. Therefore, the next chance anybody would have on the national stage would be 2020 - 6 years from now and plenty of time to get the next generation of leaders up and running. This is not to minimize the fact that Dems need to get more representation in down ticket offices, and again need to put Dean's 50 state strategy back into place, immediately.
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                • #53
                  Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Boston Globe is reporting that Elizabeth "Liarwatha" Warren will be put forward for a "significant" leadership post.

                  Whatever it is, Reid, Durbin, Schumer, & Murray are reported not to be going anywhere.
                  Schumer thinks that when the Dems retake the Senate in two years he's going to be majority leader. I know, the capacity for self-delusion is strong in this one.

                  Murray has nowhere to go. She's the dumbest person in a Senate that includes Mountain Jim Inhofe.

                  Durbin is younger than I thought -- at 70 he's Barely Legal for the Senate.

                  Harry... oh, Harry. Isn't there somewhere that you'd rather be?

                  God I hope that silly Warren nickname is repeatedly endlessly on hate radio until they convince themselves it's effective. The contrast between her as a rare voice of substance and the knee-jerk, sophomoric reaction by the conservative wahmbulance will just underline how much the latter are punching above their weight.
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                  • #54
                    Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

                    Originally posted by Rover View Post
                    Succession plan stuff is a decent point but somewhat irrelevant. Lets say Dems had a great 2014 election. Their strongest nominee in 2016 was still going to be Hillary Clinton regardless. Therefore, the next chance anybody would have on the national stage would be 2020 - 6 years from now and plenty of time to get the next generation of leaders up and running. This is not to minimize the fact that Dems need to get more representation in down ticket offices, and again need to put Dean's 50 state strategy back into place, immediately.
                    Not to mention that the Clinton people will cluster bomb all the Obama people out of any position of influence the moment She! gets the reins. The Clintons are many things, and one of them is vindictive as hell. By definition, if you took a position with Obama you were a traitor to the Divine Right Monarchy, and you must pay.
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                    • #55
                      Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Not to mention that the Clinton people will cluster bomb all the Obama people out of any position of influence the moment She! gets the reins. The Clintons are many things, and one of them is vindictive as hell. By definition, if you took a position with Obama you were a traitor to the Divine Right Monarchy, and you must pay.
                      Don't think that's going to be as much of a factor. This recent election was hopefully a wake up call that you need all hands on deck. Besides, Obama gave Hillary a job to keep her relevant for the first half of his term, and his own campaign advisors (for his elections, not the off year ones) are far superior to hers.

                      Regarding the Senate, I'd like to see Lizzy Warren in the leadership (and Reid gone). Would rather have Schumer than Durbin as Leader as its a guy cutting his teeth in NYC politics vs a Reid/Daschle clone. Warren serves the Dean/Wellstone/Feingold void of keeping the liberals in line and voting Dem if they believe they have an advocate in the inner circle. Otherwise they stay home.

                      Lastly, following up on future leaders, I'm sorry to see Udall gone but some of the others (Begich, Hagan, Nunn, Landrieu if she loses as well as Gov candidates Burke in WI, the guy in AZ, Michaud in ME, etc) can make another go at it either in 2016 or the next governor's race whenever that is. Run a good race in a tough climate and don't embarrass yourself and you can set yourself up for another run in a more favorable climate. Many people (Jeb Bush, Charlie Baker, Jeanne Shaheen) lost races for offices that they came back and won next time around.
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                      • #56
                        Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

                        Warren should have a place at the table but she cannot lead it -- she is not a politician. Politicians are pragmatists before all else; Warren is on a mission. They should position her as the liberal conscience of the party, just as they should position Bernie as the liberal conscience during the nominating campaign. They can best serve as anchors to keep the leadership from straying too far from core principles in the quest to win elections. The GOP has dozens of guys like this who anchor the party without having any hope of being the leadership: the Orrin Hatches of the world. The Dems have been notably lacking in them, which is one reason for the absence of influence of the far left on the Dems as compared with the powerful influence of the far right on the GOP.

                        The correct Udall lost -- the pretty one, not the smart one. Tom's the real deal, and he has national aspirations. We're probably better off without Landrieu in the long run; she was weak sauce on important issues and I suspect that anybody with any tenure in LA politics is up to their ears in graft and cronyism, if not outright abuse of power.
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                        • #57
                          Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

                          Boy those Republicans sure are smart.

                          http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...-solyndra.html
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                            Boy those Republicans sure are smart.

                            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...-solyndra.html
                            $200M *projected* return per year on an *actual* capital investment of $16B. Gosh, I feel so stupid for not throwing my life savings at this fund...

                            In case you can't do math, that's 1.25% projected annual return.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                              $200M *projected* return per year on an *actual* capital investment of $16B. Gosh, I feel so stupid for not throwing my life savings at this fund...

                              In case you can't do math, that's 1.25% projected annual return.
                              That's better than my savings account.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                                $200M *projected* return per year on an *actual* capital investment of $16B. Gosh, I feel so stupid for not throwing my life savings at this fund...

                                In case you can't do math, that's 1.25% projected annual return.
                                I doubt the point was that this program is a tremendous investment. More likely, it's that this program is hardly the egregious waste of tax payer money that the conservatives have been screaming about the last few years.

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