Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodies

[TonyTheTiger20]

Nice chart, but UW should be red, not yellow.

Haha -- Excel assigned the colors, and I don't care enough to go in and change all twenty something each week

[pokechecker]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

You read my mind! So now I get to make my next point, which is what I think about when ranking teams. I rank based on my guess of which team I think will, right now, win a 5 game series on neutral ice against any of the teams below it. The #1 team will win that series against all teams, #2 will win that series against all but the #1 team, and so on. So the CHA conundrum is irrelevant to my ranking. I won't put a CHA team in the top 8 because it satisfies the selection committee's paradigm. I also admit that I have no faith in my predictive abilities when I get to the back half of the top 10!

Is that the consensus on how everyone ranks the Top 10? Share your view... I think it would be interesting and instructive to understand our different approaches.

ultimately the only ranking that matters is the one that selects the NCAA tournament. Would UMD or BU be happy to be ranked above Mecyhurst only to be left out of the dance and not being able to prove on the ice they deserve to be there? Which team do you suppose is happier with their season last year, MN who led the polls all year or Clarkson, who only lead after the season was over?
IMO, the only valid purpose of any poll is to select who and how the final season tournament is conducted. If you want to settle bragging rights of which team is better, the only valid way is on the ice.

[Trillium]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

You read my mind! So now I get to make my next point, which is what I think about when ranking teams. I rank based on my guess of which team I think will, right now, win a 5 game series on neutral ice against any of the teams below it. The #1 team will win that series against all teams, #2 will win that series against all but the #1 team, and so on. So the CHA conundrum is irrelevant to my ranking. I won't put a CHA team in the top 8 because it satisfies the selection committee's paradigm. I also admit that I have no faith in my predictive abilities when I get to the back half of the top 10!

Is that the consensus on how everyone ranks the Top 10? Share your view... I think it would be interesting and instructive to understand our different approaches.

Also my approach.

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

I go based on kind of a hybrid of game results so far plus what I think will happen in future games.

[PuckRush]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

ultimately the only ranking that matters is the one that selects the NCAA tournament. Would UMD or BU be happy to be ranked above Mecyhurst only to be left out of the dance and not being able to prove on the ice they deserve to be there? Which team do you suppose is happier with their season last year, MN who led the polls all year or Clarkson, who only lead after the season was over?
IMO, the only valid purpose of any poll is to select who and how the final season tournament is conducted. If you want to settle bragging rights of which team is better, the only valid way is on the ice.

So you're compelled to put at least one member of every conference in the top 8 regardless of merit?

[brookyone]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

So you're compelled to put at least one member of every conference in the top 8 regardless of merit?

I think it's an Op-Ed making the point that only the ranking that gives eight teams an opportunity to win the championship ultimately matters. There are of course instances of questionable merit in those rankings as well. I doubt the questionable merit matters to any among the eight.

[pokechecker]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

I think it's an Op-Ed making the point that only the ranking that gives eight teams an opportunity to win the championship ultimately matters. There are of course instances of questionable merit in those rankings as well. I doubt the questionable merit matters to any among the eight.

not true if a team earns an autobid that isn't among the top 8 thereby removing #8 from the tournament
...or another removing #7

didn't that occur with BU last year, they weren't #8 but they won the Hockey Easy tournament, thereby getting in and bumping someone else from the tournament?

[brookyone]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

not true if a team earns an autobid that isn't among the top 8 thereby removing #8 from the tournament
...or another removing #7

How ya figure? You think the autobid team among the final eight is sorry for that ranked team on the outside? My "among the eight" remark refers to the eight in the NCAA brackets.

[pokechecker]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

jeeze, and I thought you were the last remaining MN fan that didn't need everything explained and clarified

you suppose whoever was ranked #8 was a little disappointed BU bumped them from the tourney?

if UND had defeated MN in the WCHA tourney last year, they would have been in and another top 8 team would have had to be dropped from the tourney
ask yourself which format has more excitement all the way through the tournament, the NCAA college or MN high school?
I've been to section semifinals in MN HS that have had more excitement than the NCAA final
one and done, there is no better way

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

Can someone remind me who the D1 independents are?

[ManBehindTheCurtain]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

Can someone remind me who the D1 independents are?

Sacred Heart

[96IllinoisDad]

Sacred Heart

Although in DIII leagues (not independent), I believe Holy Cross is DI and St Anselm, St Michaels and Franklin Pierce are DII.

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

Although in DIII leagues (not independent), I believe Holy Cross is DI and St Anselm, St Michaels and Franklin Pierce are DII.

Thanks.

This all makes no sense. lol

[ARM]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

Thanks.

This all makes no sense. lol

I think it is all driven by the classification of other sports in their athletic departments. Nobody plans around women's ice hockey, strange as that seems to me.

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

It's all very silly. Yale's win over Sacred Heart is actually helping Yale's RPI. I assumed it would be one of those "Bad wins" that gets thrown out, but since those D1/D2 teams only play each other, their opponent's winning percentage/oppopp winning percentage is actually good.

Ridiculous.