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  • Re: climate change times are a changin'

    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
    cow genocide is our only hope!
    We should all get a free allotment of steak to help the Earth.
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    • Originally posted by huskyfan View Post
      really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

      this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarian unite!
      Are you really Palin or Bachman in disguise?

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      • Re: climate change times are a changin'

        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
        We should all get a free allotment of steak to help the Earth.
        Eat a steak, save the world.

        Only a matter of time before that ad campaign launches.

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        • Re: climate change times are a changin'

          Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
          No, no...we just need to fit them with methane scrubbing gas masks and underwear. Problem solved.
          That shouldn't increase the price of beef at all...
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          • Re: climate change times are a changin'

            Originally posted by huskyfan View Post
            really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

            this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarian unite!
            It's yet another reason to hate India.
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            • Re: climate change times are a changin'

              Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
              Are you really Palin or Bachman in disguise?
              You would argue that science isn't evolving? Always making new discoveries that lead to previous theories being re-written?
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              • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
                No, no...we just need to fit them with methane scrubbing gas masks and underwear. Problem solved.
                That would be quite a pair of underwear to take out all the methane! Or would we hook their underwear up to a pipeline system to sequester the methane underground. Then we could frack to bring it back up and consume it!
                Originally posted by Priceless
                Good to see you're so reasonable.
                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                Very well, said.
                Originally posted by Rover
                A fair assessment Bob.

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                • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                  Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                  That would be quite a pair of underwear to take out all the methane! Or would we hook their underwear up to a pipeline system to sequester the methane underground. Then we could frack to bring it back up and consume it!
                  I was thinking more along the lines of a fairly large tank mounted to their back. Once the technology advanced enough, we could consider making tanks that could also function as rocket transport systems. You heard it here first, fifty years from now, we'll be getting cattle to market my putting them on little carts and having them rocket down the highway.

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                  • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                    That shouldn't increase the price of beef at all...
                    So you considered the idea feasible up until the potential economic impact?

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                    • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                      Originally posted by Foxton View Post
                      The consensus by scientists, who are actively involved in the field [i.e., receiving funding from entities that have a vested interest in having them "prove" one outcome] , is overwhelmingly in agreement on the cause of climate change.... [particularly because anyone who asks a reasonable question about the actual data receives vitriol and ad hominem attacks in response, while the data-based question is ignored. People can be ostracized and lose a career if they are not careful to toe the party line with sufficient obeisance to "received wisdom."].
                      You speak of "science" as if its ideas are immutable and its practitioners are not human beings with powerful vested economic interests. Copernicus disagreed with the conventional wisdom of his time and he was so intimidated that his work was first published posthumously. So much of supposed "science" is intertwined with powerful political agendas that one must be a bit cautious here, I think. People who are "overwhelmingly in agreement" are also getting lots of federal funding for lots of projects, while politicians who promote this agenda get lots of votes so that they can then spend more money to get more supporters.

                      It is not so much that one side is "right" or not, it is far more meaningful that they try so hard to silence all dissent. Science is open to questioning and data, yet if the science really IS as settled as you represent it, why are people who ask reasonable questions treated so badly, attacked on a personal level, while their questions are ignored?
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                      • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                        Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                        You speak of "science" as if its ideas are immutable and its practitioners are not human beings with powerful vested economic interests. Copernicus disagreed with the conventional wisdom of his time and he was so intimidated that his work was first published posthumously. So much of supposed "science" is intertwined with powerful political agendas that one must be a bit cautious here, I think. People who are "overwhelmingly in agreement" are also getting lots of federal funding for lots of projects, while politicians who promote this agenda get lots of votes so that they can then spend more money to get more supporters.

                        It is not so much that one side is "right" or not, it is far more meaningful that they try so hard to silence all dissent. Science is open to questioning and data, yet if the science really IS as settled as you represent it, why are people who ask reasonable questions treated so badly, attacked on a personal level, while their questions are ignored?

                        So basically for you its one big conspiracy theory. Tell me Fishy, are all these conspiracy theories unrelated, or is there some giant conspiracy department that coordinates them all?
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                        • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                          Originally posted by Rover View Post
                          So basically for you its one big conspiracy theory. Tell me Fishy, are all these conspiracy theories unrelated, or is there some giant conspiracy department that coordinates them all?
                          Why does it have to be a conspiracy for us to feel like we're not allowed to question it without being shouted down?
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                          • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                            that's what I just don't get. if you have valid scientific arguments I'm interested. but it always devolves in name calling from the pro human caused global warming side. which makes me think they don't have any hard science to discuss. open minded. that use to be a compliment.
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                            • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                              Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                              Why does it have to be a conspiracy for us to feel like we're not allowed to question it without being shouted down?
                              That's how many issues are now "discussed" in this country. This is just par for the course anymore. And the name calling increases if you call them on it.
                              Originally posted by Priceless
                              Good to see you're so reasonable.
                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                              Very well, said.
                              Originally posted by Rover
                              A fair assessment Bob.

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                              • Re: climate change times are a changin'

                                Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                                That's how many issues are now "discussed" in this country. This is just par for the course anymore. And the name calling increases if you call them on it.
                                Oh, I realize that. Its no different than being called a racist, bigot, homophobe for disagreeing with affirmative action, minimum wage increases or believing marriage is between a man and a woman.
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