climate change times are a changin'

[GrinCDXX]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

Sounds like a "take your ball and go home" tactic.

Sure, why not?

[Rover]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

And who says we're heading back to that if we keep pollution criteria where they are today?

Republicans! At least they'd like us to go back in time.

[unofan]

Sounds like a "take your ball and go home" tactic.

Funny how you respond to his comment but again ignore the substance of my comment that prompted his comment.

[unofan]

And who says we're heading back to that if we keep pollution criteria where they are today?

In this thread alone, tiggsy has all but called for the repeal of the EPA and every other federal agency besides the military, the fbi, and the dept of transportation (security and infrastructure).

There is certainly a segment out there that would be fine going back to the days where rivers were on fire in the name of the free market.

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

In this thread alone, tiggsy has all but called for the repeal of the EPA and every other federal agency besides the military, the fbi, and the dept of transportation (security and infrastructure).

There is certainly a segment out there that would be fine going back to the days where rivers were on fire in the name of the free market.

I don't want a repeal of the EPA but I certainly think they have overstepped their bounds on many things. As far as pollution control goes, I think they're ok. Controlling ponding water in a person's yard is a bit crazy. I will say this, my experiences with regulations pretty much show that that federal EPA really isn't that necessary beyond guidance anymore because each state I've encountered has its own rules and in many cases they are more stringent than the feds.

[FreshFish]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

Pollution is literally the textbook example of a negative externality. If company X is spewing sulfur dioxide which is causing acid rain 3 states away on homeowner Y's property, that's a negative cost that will not be reflected in the price of company X's goods. Guess how we correct for that market failure?

Um, you route the smokestacks into the ventilation system that feeds into the company's boardroom, right?

[Tiggsy]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

In this thread alone, tiggsy has all but called for the repeal of the EPA and every other federal agency besides the military, the fbi, and the dept of transportation (security and infrastructure).

There is certainly a segment out there that would be fine going back to the days where rivers were on fire in the name of the free market.

That's quite a leap to make from my comment, don't you think? So you are allowed to make inferences that are huge leaps from my posts but I can't make any connections from yours or Grin's? I see how the game is played.

And so sorry I didn't bother to respond to your post. I must beg your forgiveness. I'll try harder next time because responding to you is the most important part of my day. Especially the ones where you either mischaracterize what I say or take personal digs at me.

[huskyfan]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

remember who put the EPA in place? and set it up with flexibility to respond to new info. Richard Nixon. a Republican.

[Foxton]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

is name calling the best you've got? not a very scientific argument. and, yes, the periodic table has changed numerous times as new elements are found.

It's almost physically painful for you to talk about a scientific argument then double down on your periodic table of elements stuff. You might as well be bringing up the merits of different styles applied of spreadsheets. Or whether or not adding another row will ruin the entire presentation.

of course the climate is changing, always has, always will. I think everyone agrees with this. the cause is the issue.

The consensus by scientists, who are actively involved in the field, is overwhelmingly in agreement on the cause of climate change.... humans. This has already been pointed out multiple times in this very thread.

[joecct]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

remember who put the EPA in place? and set it up with flexibility to respond to new info. Richard Nixon. a Republican.

Yep. And Milhous also got the Civil Rights Act rolling in the South.

A conflicted man.

[Rover]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

remember who put the EPA in place? and set it up with flexibility to respond to new info. Richard Nixon. a Republican.

Which is where the expression "the sun shines on a dog's @ ss once in awhile" comes from!

Really, even Carter can point to the Camp David Accords as a successful outcome of his otherwise failed Presidency....

[huskyfan]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

It's almost physically painful for you to talk about a scientific argument then double down on your periodic table of elements stuff. You might as well be bringing up the merits of different styles applied of spreadsheets. Or whether or not adding another row will ruin the entire presentation.

The consensus by scientists, who are actively involved in the field, is overwhelmingly in agreement on the cause of climate change.... humans. This has already been pointed out multiple times in this very thread.

really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarians unite!

[huskyfan]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

Yep. And Milhous also got the Civil Rights Act rolling in the South.

A conflicted man.

and opened China. a very very strange man indeed.

[Bob Gray]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarian unite!

cow genocide is our only hope!

[GrinCDXX]

Re: climate change times are a changin'

cow genocide is our only hope!

No, no...we just need to fit them with methane scrubbing gas masks and underwear. Problem solved.