New Women Juniors Program. Will it work?

[brookyone]

Re: New Women Juniors Program. Will it work?

Don't know if the Twins played a PG year or not, but they were a year older than most of their counterparts entering college that year.

19 is a year older than most when they begin their college careers? Something else I didn't know.

Months older...maybe.

[Hux]

19 is a year older than most when they begin their college careers? Something else I didn't know.

Months older...maybe.

A fair amount of kids come out of Prep, and most enter as rising sophs or juniors from high school but repeat a year to catch up with the curriculum.

The programs in the new league may be thinking of finding billet families but I doubt that will fly with most mothers and fathers of teen girls.

[D2D]

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19 is a year older than most when they begin their college careers? Something else I didn't know.

Months older...maybe.

The Lamoureux's have July birthdays, so they were age 19 by just two months when they enrolled at Minnesota for the 2008-09 season - not unusual at all.

[brookyone]

Re: New Women Juniors Program. Will it work?

The Lamoureux's have July birthdays, so they were age 19 by just two months when they enrolled at Minnesota for the 2008-09 season - not unusual at all.

Ah...so then the twins don't actually suffice as a prime example of Minnesota having recruited players who as freshmen, are a year older than their counterparts entering college that same year.

I think Krissy Wendell was a bit older than the average freshman. Only one I recall for Minnesota.

[OnMAA]

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19 is a year older than most when they begin their college careers? Something else I didn't know.

Months older...maybe.

Our oldest is born in November the same year as the twins, and played against them. She went to play College Hockey (in Ontario) a full year ahead of the twins, just like most of her team mates born in the same year. That is the standard for Ontario, as the school system goes by YOB. Our daughter was still 17 when she entered college due to her late in year DOB. Some better known Ontario players in the same class and B-year ('89) were Deluce, Johnson and Wakefield, and they all started college in 07-08, a year before the twins. (BTW this is not a knock on the twins, was using them as a comparison point).

Here is the full list of the 07-08 NCAA D1 Recruits from Ontario. Many of them had great college careers.
A couple in this list were a year older (Irwin for example), but most are '89 born and therefore 18 years of age when they entered college.

Player................Position.......(Current Team)...............................Hometown
Jennifer Bauer.............G.............(Hamilton Jr)......................St. Catharines, ON
Samantha Stortini......D.............(Sudbury Wolves)........................Lockerby, ON
Jaclyn Small.............D.............(Toronto Jr. Aeros)........................Thornhill, ON
Rebecca Gordon........F..........(Stoney Creek Sabres)......................St. Cat's, ON
Melissa Waldie..........F..............(Aurora Panthers)......................Newmarket, ON
Lisa Plenderleith........G............(Durham Jr Lightning)...................North York, ON
Jennifer Chaisson .....F................(Ottawa NCCP).......................Cumberland, ON
Hayley Hughes.........F...............(Toronto JR. Aeros)....................Stouffville, ON
Rebecca Johnston....F................(Sudbury Wolves).........................Sudbury, ON
Katie Wilson...........G...............(Markham-Stouffville).....................Uxbridge, ON
Deborah Conway.....F..................(Toronto Jr Aeros).......................Toronto, ON
Vicki Bendus..........F...................(Aurora Jr Panthers)...........Wasaga Beach, ON
Melissa Lacroix......D....................(Toronto JR. Aeros).........Penetanguishine, ON
Tara Gray................D..................(Mississaug a Aeros)...................Toronto, ON
Haley Irwin...............F..................(Mississaug a Aeros).............Thunder Bay, ON
Courtney Birchard....F....................(Toronto JR Aeros)...............Mississauga, ON
Jenn Wakefield......F.....................(Etobicoke Dolphins)..................Pickering, ON
Christina Mancuso...F..................(Toronto JR Aeros).......................Toronto, ON
Laura Martindale.....D....................(Ottawa NCCP).........................Kingston, ON
Caroline Park..........F..................(Mississauga Chiefs)...................Brampton, ON
Jamie Miller............G..................(Toronto Jr Aeros)................Richmond Hill, ON
Brandice Moniz.......F..................(Toronto Jr Aeros)........................Oakville, ON
Sara O'Malley.........F...................(Hamilton Hawks).........................Guelph, ON
Sonja Van Der Bliek.G..................(Toronto Jr Aeros).......................Toronto, ON
Victoria Germuska...D.................(London Devillettes)...................Tilsonburg, ON
Aleah Dougherty...... F.......................(NCCP).............................Kemptville, ON
Kirsten Roach..........D.................(Durham Lightning)...........................Ajax, ON
Mallory Deluce.......F..................(Mississauga Aeros).......................London, ON

My point of reference is Ontario.

[OnMAA]

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And here is the list of Ontario recruits from the 08-09 listings:

Most of these players are '90 born.

Player................Position.......(Current Team)...............................Hometown
Tara Watchorn...........D.........(CAN 18s/Durham Lightning)..............New Castle, ON
Donelle Latimer...........G.................(Whitby Wolves)..........................Whitby, ON
Alison Wong................F..............(Etobicoke Dolphins).................Mississauga, ON
Danielle Boudreau........F...............(Durham Lightning).........................Whitby, ON
Gabby Kosziwka..........F...............(Brampton Thunder).........................Acton, ON
Brittany Mulligan..........F..............(London Devilettes)........................London, ON
Krista Dermott..............F.............(Brampton Thunder)........................ Milton, ON
Amanda Kirwan.............D...............(Toronto Aeros).....................Mississauga, ON
Sami Evelyn................D......................(NCCP )................................Nepean, ON
Amanda Mazzotta.........G.....(CAN 18s/London Devilettes)....................London, ON
Jenna Paulson..............D...............(Toronto Aeros)..........................Toronto, ON
Catherine White...........F......(CAN 18s/Mississauga Chiefs)................Brampton, ON
Geneva Kliman..............D...............(Oakville Ice).............................Toronto, ON
Whitney Kennedy...........F.............(Toronto Aeros)......................Mississauga, ON
Jessica Jones...............F........(CAN 18s/Whitby Wolves)......................Picton, ON
Leah Whittaker.............D...............(Toronto Aeros).......................Cambridge, ON
Laura McIntosh............F.......(CAN 18s/Mississuaga Chiefs)...............Waterloo, ON
Natalie Spooner............F........(CAN 18s/Durham Lightning)...........Scarborough, ON
Stacey Kmill.................F..........(Thunder Bay Queens)...............Thunder Bay, ON
Jane Moss..................F/D..............(Northwood)........................ ..Morrisburg, ON
Kate Wheeler...............F................(Oakville Ice).............................Oakville, ON
Brianna Delaney............F....................(NCCP).... ..........................Stittsville, ON
Paige Pietrangelo..........D..............(Hamilton Hawks)...................Niagara Falls, ON
Josee Belanger.............D..............(Sudbury Wolves)........................Sudbury, ON
Alley Bero....................F..........(USA 18s/Salmon River).................Akwesasne, ON
Katie Bero...................F.............(Cornwall Typhoons)..................Akwesasne, ON
Stephanie Jones...........G..................(M-S Stars)...........................Thornhill, ON
Taylor Metcalfe............D.................(Oakville Ice)...........................Oakville, ON
Kelly Alyea.................F...............(Culver Academy).........................London, ON
Chelsey Heinhuis.........D............. (Windsor Wildcats)......................Chatham, ON
Dania Simmonds..........D................(Toronto Aeros)...........................Aurora, ON
Shannon Bellefeuille.....D......................(NCCP).... .............................Kanata, ON
Alyssa Baldin..............F.............(Mississauga Chiefs)....................Mississauga, ON
Marlee Fisher..............D................(NCCP Capitals)..........................Kingston, ON
Micheline Frappier........F...........(Sudbury Lady Wolves)....................Val Caron, ON
Carolyn Prevost............F......(CAN 18s/London Devilettes).....................Sarnia, ON
Heather Grant.............D................(Toronto Aeros)..........................Toronto, ON
Jenny Ladiges.............G......................(NCCP). ...............................Almonte, ON

[ARM]

Minnesota has on occasion in the past recruited players that do a PG year, or are a year older. Prime example was the twins.

No, the twins didn't do a PG year. My guess would be that they started kindergarden a bit later. Sometimes parents do that with kids with summer birthdays if they don't think that they are ready for school.

Wendell was older because she had spent two years centralized with Team USA. The Finns were older, as Europeans often are. I can't remember anyone who did a true PG year like Coyne did prior to NU.

[D2D]

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My guess would be that they started kindergarden a bit later. Sometimes parents do that with kids with summer birthdays if they don't think that they are ready for school.

"Back in the day" parents would almost always enroll their kids in kindergarten if they had their 5th birthday in September or earlier. So there were quite a few who graduated from high school before turning 18. Now, not so much. There's been a gradual shift towards more parents holding their kids back, and over the years I've heard of some who have chosen this approach to give their kids an athletic edge as well as for academic and "social maturity" reasons.

Note: The above is my observation as respects Minnesota only. It may differ from other parts of the country, such as New England.

[giwan]

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"Back in the day" parents would almost always enroll their kids in kindergarten if they had their 5th birthday in September or earlier. So there were quite a few who graduated from high school before turning 18. Now, not so much. There's been a gradual shift towards more parents holding their kids back, and over the years I've heard of some who have chosen this approach to give their kids an athletic edge as well as for academic and "social maturity" reasons.

Note: The above is my observation as respects Minnesota only. It may differ from other parts of the country, such as New England.

There is certain validity to your comments.

[Hux]

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There is certain validity to your comments.

Ayuh. A friend's wife worked from home and as a consequence did not need day care. When she took her son to kindergarten the teachers chided her for not having had him in preschool as he was "behind" on how to operate in a structured envioronment, how to "learn" etc. Later she found that most of her son's fellow students had been in preschool since two or three and were often a year older (kids with birthdays after May or June) apparently because it would enable them to achieve better results in school.

[giwan]

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Ayuh. A friend's wife worked from home and as a consequence did not need day care. When she took her son to kindergarten the teachers chided her for not having had him in preschool as he was "behind" on how to operate in a structured envioronment, how to "learn" etc. Later she found that most of her son's fellow students had been in preschool since two or three and were often a year older (kids with birthdays after May or June) apparently because it would enable them to achieve better results in school.

The relative age effect does matter.

Forgot to add this from the beginning http://www.newjhl.com/page/show/1020...ams-2014-2015-

[Hockeydad4two]

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"Back in the day" parents would almost always enroll their kids in kindergarten if they had their 5th birthday in September or earlier. So there were quite a few who graduated from high school before turning 18. Now, not so much. There's been a gradual shift towards more parents holding their kids back, and over the years I've heard of some who have chosen this approach to give their kids an athletic edge as well as for academic and "social maturity" reasons.

Note: The above is my observation as respects Minnesota only. It may differ from other parts of the country, such as New England.

My D's birthday is in November. The school district we lived in (Wisconsin) wouldn't let us enroll her in September. We had to wait until the next year. Turn's out it was probably a good thing as she was one of the oldest in her school class. Although, she was still one of the youngest in non-school sports due to "birth" year.

[OnMAA]

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My D's birthday is in November. The school district we lived in (Wisconsin) wouldn't let us enroll her in September. We had to wait until the next year. Turn's out it was probably a good thing as she was one of the oldest in her school class. Although, she was still one of the youngest in non-school sports due to "birth" year.

Reverse was true for our oldest who is also a November born. She went to JK at 3, K at 4 and grade 1 at age 5. She was always one of the younger ones, both school and sports wise. It helped that she ended up 6ft tall, so her height often hid the fact she was younger than most. Went to University at 17 and she will graduate as an MD next year at the ripe age of 25.

In Ontario , if you turn 4 by the end of the Calendar year (Dec 31), you go to JK, and two years later to grade one as a five year old. That system has been in place for many years. With many dual working parents, many parents are often eager to send their kid to school to save on baby sitting services.

[giwan]

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A fair amount of kids come out of Prep, and most enter as rising sophs or juniors from high school but repeat a year to catch up with the curriculum.

The programs in the new league may be thinking of finding billet families but I doubt that will fly with most mothers and fathers of teen girls.

Some billet families, some team apts, some a team house. Cheaper than a year or two of prep.

[Hockeygirlzmom]

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Not everyone can or is willing to pay exorbitant prices for their child to play hockey. Not all female hockey players live in an area ripe with opportunities or exposure. This new league is a chance for those families to help their players achieve their dreams. It is no more of a gamble for us to send our daughter across the country than it is to keep her home and cross our fingers someone notices that a girl from somewhere outside MN or NE can actually play hockey.