Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Yay! Vigilante rule!

I'll get my Uzi and meet you at GM HQ. They've killed tons of kids with cars.

[St. Clown]

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Really? So I can shoot you and throw the gun in the ocean and I should be acquitted? Sweet!

The way the story read, drunk bastage hits his kids, he's overcome with grief and kills the man on the spot. After the fact, he comes to his senses, realizes what he's done and chucks his gun into the ocean, sewer, whatever.

What's the point of the penal code? It's to create social and monetary costs to crimes to either prevent them from ever happening or to punish those who do commit them. We know that in moments of intense grief people will do things that they wouldn't normally do, "temporarily insane" perhaps. Assuming this man had no prior violent record he's not likely to repeat this action. Also, given that he just witnessed his two sons get plowed over by a drunken idiot, I could see him being emotionally distraught to the point of actually meeting that temporarily insane marker, such that he's not going to have the capacity to worry about the potential punishment of his actions.

Punishing this man would serve no great purpose, you're not going to prevent such actions in the future.

[ScoobyDoo]

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The way the story read, drunk bastage hits his kids, he's overcome with grief and kills the man on the spot. After the fact, he comes to his senses, realizes what he's done and chucks his gun into the ocean, sewer, whatever.

What's the point of the penal code? It's to create social and monetary costs to crimes to either prevent them from ever happening or to punish those who do commit them. We know that in moments of intense grief people will do things that they wouldn't normally do, "temporarily insane" perhaps. Assuming this man had no prior violent record he's not likely to repeat this action. Also, given that he just witnessed his two sons get plowed over by a drunken idiot, I could see him being emotionally distraught to the point of actually meeting that temporarily insane marker, such that he's not going to have the capacity to worry about the potential punishment of his actions.

Punishing this man would serve no great purpose, you're not going to prevent such actions in the future.

Awesome. Let's all take the law into our own hands during grief periods. Perfect.

[trixR4kids]

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The way the story read, drunk bastage hits his kids, he's overcome with grief and kills the man on the spot. After the fact, he comes to his senses, realizes what he's done and chucks his gun into the ocean, sewer, whatever.

What's the point of the penal code? It's to create social and monetary costs to crimes to either prevent them from ever happening or to punish those who do commit them. We know that in moments of intense grief people will do things that they wouldn't normally do, "temporarily insane" perhaps. Assuming this man had no prior violent record he's not likely to repeat this action. Also, given that he just witnessed his two sons get plowed over by a drunken idiot, I could see him being emotionally distraught to the point of actually meeting that temporarily insane marker, such that he's not going to have the capacity to worry about the potential punishment of his actions.

Punishing this man would serve no great purpose, you're not going to prevent such actions in the future.

Lol what!?!?

[geezer]

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Hence the meme of the Chicago welfare queen (who never existed)

I'm with you, but the story of the "real" Chicago welfare queen is actually quite fascinating.

when I set out in search of Linda Taylor, I hoped to find the real story of the woman who played such an outsize role in American politics—who she was, where she came from, and what her life was like before and after she became the national symbol of unearned prosperity. What I found was a woman who destroyed lives, someone far more depraved than even Ronald Reagan could have imagined. In the 1970s alone, Taylor was investigated for homicide, kidnapping, and baby trafficking. The detective who tried desperately to put her away believes she’s responsible for one of Chicago’s most legendary crimes, one that remains unsolved to this day. Welfare fraud was likely the least of the welfare queen’s offenses.

I'm still waiting for someone to make a movie about this woman.

[St. Clown]

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Awesome. Let's all take the law into our own hands during grief periods. Perfect.

Yes, that's exactly what's going to happen, Drama.

[St. Clown]

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Lol what!?!?

What confuses you?

[walrus]

Sure, and most laws are passed because common sense doesn't prevail in society. I bet there is no way in hell a law is passed after this tragedy.

Yeah let's pass another law. Should we pass a law every time someone is an idiot?

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yeah let's pass another law. Should we pass a law every time someone is an idiot?

When it destroys a 9 year old girls life. Yes.

[Kepler]

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I'm with you, but the story of the "real" Chicago welfare queen is actually quite fascinating.

Interesting indeed.

So, the equivalent of making Nidal Hasan the face of the military to prove the army needs to be dismantled.

[Gurtholfin]

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You run over and kill my two kids while drunk and I'm there, hope and pray that I have a gun so at least it goes quick.

[Gurtholfin]

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Yeah let's pass another law. Should we pass a law every time someone is an idiot?

Yeah, you represent the other side of the coin.

Would it hurt to pass common sense laws that make it illegal for a minor to handle an automatic weapon, even with parental consent?

Go ahead and argue that one.

[geezer]

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Interesting indeed.

So, the equivalent of making Nidal Hasan the face of the military to prove the army needs to be dismantled.

pretty much. But I think all that was known at the time Reagan picked up the soundbite was the welfare fraud and the many cars.

[Kepler]

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When it destroys a 9 year old girls life. Yes.

In this case, though, the idea that a 9 year old with an Uzi kills the instructor who showed her how to use it sounds like a homeostatic system.

(I realize that the TX state leg has probably declared "homeostasis" illegal)

[Kepler]

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Yeah, you represent the other side of the coin.

Would it hurt to pass common sense laws that make it illegal for a minor to handle an automatic weapon, even with parental consent?

Go ahead and argue that one.

One of the principles of the far right is that common sense and law are always either/or. Don't you realize that as soon as you pass a law people stop using their heads? That's why laws are bad.