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Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
Originally posted by haulin oats View PostDon't forget the great financial aid package $NC has.St. Norbert College Green Knights
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NCHA playoff champs: 98-99, 03-05, 07-08, 10-14, 17-19, 24
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The financial aid packages are widening and will allow teams like SNC and Adrian (to name a couple) to dominate until something is done to even out the playing field. Currently, some competitive D3 teams can beat the SUNYAC schools by 10K or more per year!! With that in mind, it's even more amazing that SUNYAC was arguably the best conference in D3 hockey. Go figure.
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Originally posted by admiral0417 View PostThe financial aid packages are widening and will allow teams like SNC and Adrian (to name a couple) to dominate until something is done to even out the playing field. Currently, some competitive D3 teams can beat the SUNYAC schools by 10K or more per year!! With that in mind, it's even more amazing that SUNYAC was arguably the best conference in D3 hockey. Go figure.
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Originally posted by admiral0417 View PostThe financial aid packages are widening and will allow teams like SNC and Adrian (to name a couple) to dominate until something is done to even out the playing field. Currently, some competitive D3 teams can beat the SUNYAC schools by 10K or more per year!! With that in mind, it's even more amazing that SUNYAC was arguably the best conference in D3 hockey. Go figure.
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Originally posted by admiral0417 View PostThe financial aid packages are widening and will allow teams like SNC and Adrian (to name a couple) to dominate until something is done to even out the playing field. Currently, some competitive D3 teams can beat the SUNYAC schools by 10K or more per year!! With that in mind, it's even more amazing that SUNYAC was arguably the best conference in D3 hockey. Go figure.Still No Championships - R.I.P. 3/23/2008
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I love how every year the winning team gets brought down about something. When UWEC won it all, the controversy was the Division I transfers (they all didn't transfer in the course of just one year like people make it sound BTW). Now people are focusing on the "financial aid" of the current Champions. How about instead we take a look at what separates one program from another and talk about the coaching? SNC's Head Coach is probably one of the best coaches in all of college hockey. To be able to identify, recruit / build, and consistently win at the level that this program has is incredible. I don't care if they're giving away a free education, you still need to be able to find a player with talent that also fits the academic profile of the institution, convince them to commit, and then coach / teach the team to win. As easy as it sounds I'm guessing the work that goes into the process isn't as easy as dialing a player up and asking them what they're up to next year and then just call the kids number and tell them their up next. Financials may be part of the story and if there is something going on, in today's age with technology and people's capability to uncover information it will be a matter of time before something will come up if there is anything going on. However, at the end of the day it's the Head Coach and its staff that has truly built this program into the power that it is and instead of focusing on the financial aid aspect, maybe start to look at your own program and ask why aren't they working harder to identify the players that can afford to go to your school. Out of the millions of options for players out there, SNC is still only limited to just 30 of them.
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Originally posted by MW4Bucky&SNC View PostBait only works when the fish bite. When you troll around and the fish wonder "what is that ridiculous looking thing?" it isn't going to catch anything.2009-2010 Last Person Standing winner
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I am not sure I even want to get involved here....
There is no question SNC has done an excellent job recruiting for a team, and preparing that team to execute at a very high level. But to insinuate they are somehow manipulating aid in some manner is ridiculous.
IMO, one of the biggest reasons more eastern teams don't have recruits from these western leagues is that recruiting budgets have been cut for many schools. Greater distances from schools equates to more cost, so most schools try to maximize their dollars by staying closer to home. When things were better, you would see more western Canadians on rosters (Norwich during the early 2000's for example). And as someone else cited, the eastern junior leagues have become somewhat watered down.
In any case, it shouldn't be a surprise that SNC has more westerners. It's closer and their coach certainly has contacts there.Go 'Wick!
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Originally posted by jerrynu26 View PostI am not sure I even want to get involved here....
There is no question SNC has done an excellent job recruiting for a team, and preparing that team to execute at a very high level. But to insinuate they are somehow manipulating aid in some manner is ridiculous.
IMO, one of the biggest reasons more eastern teams don't have recruits from these western leagues is that recruiting budgets have been cut for many schools. Greater distances from schools equates to more cost, so most schools try to maximize their dollars by staying closer to home. When things were better, you would see more western Canadians on rosters (Norwich during the early 2000's for example). And as someone else cited, the eastern junior leagues have become somewhat watered down.
In any case, it shouldn't be a surprise that SNC has more westerners. It's closer and their coach certainly has contacts there.
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Originally posted by hawk View PostSome of us are jealous of the success that St. Norbert had recruiting top talent every year from the top junior leagues. Speaking of the NAHL I can not understand why more eastern teams don't go after players in that league. Most of the NAHL teams are in the mid-west but the Johnstown Tomahawks (PA) would appear close enough to give eastern teams a look at the talent. Maybe this occurs already. Maybe the fishing will improve for the D3 teams I follow: Castleton, Norwich, Middlebury, and Plattsburgh.SNC Men:
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Originally posted by norm1909 View PostTo insinuate they are somehow manipulating aid is IMO, teasing - financial aid is just a tool in the tool box, but the biggest factor in St Norbert's (and Plattsburgh, Oswego, Norwich, etc) quality is coaching ans this.
into a firm lineup....good example this year was rookie forward Ross Pavek...he got a few early starts, but Coghlin told him to take a few pounds off during the semester break, and he came back lighter, with more speed. He became a regular on the 4th line to the end of the season.SNC Men:
Five Time National Champions: 2008, 2011, 2012, 2014. 2018....
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Originally posted by Blugold Hockey View Post... instead of focusing on the financial aid aspect, maybe start to look at your own program and ask why aren't they working harder to identify the players that can afford to go to your school. Out of the millions of options for players out there, SNC is still only limited to just 30 of them.
If more of us posted rational thoughts ala Blugold, rather than incriminating innuendo, this Forum would be semi-useful. Now it's like reaching in the toilet for a nickel.
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