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  • #16
    Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

    Originally posted by AggiesHockey View Post


    If someone can post a list of D3 programs by state, I'd run those numbers too.
    Minnesota
    Concordia-Moorhead
    St Thomas
    Gustavus Adolphus
    Augsburg
    St Olaf
    St Marys
    St Benedicts
    St Catherine
    St Thomas
    Hamline
    College of St Scholastica
    Bethel

    Wisconsin
    UW-Superior
    UW-River Falls
    UW-Stevens Point
    UW-Eau Claire
    Concordia-WI
    St Norbert
    Marian

    Illinois
    Lake Forest

    Michigan
    Adrian
    Finlandia

    The East I'll do my best
    Pennsylvania
    Neumann
    Chatham

    New York
    Buffalo State
    Cortland
    Elmira
    Plattsburgh
    Oswego
    Utica
    Potsdam
    Plymouth State
    Manhattanville
    Hamilton

    Massachusetts
    Umass Boston
    Amherst
    Williams
    Nichols

    Vermont
    Middlebury
    Norwich
    St Michaels
    Castleton

    Maine
    Colby
    Southern Maine
    Bowdoin
    University of New England

    Connecticut
    Trinity
    Wesleyan
    Connecticut College

    Maryland
    Stevenson

    Rhode Island
    Salve Regina

    New Hampshire
    St Anselm
    New England College
    Franklin Pierce
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    • #17
      Originally posted by gojackets View Post
      Minnesota
      Concordia-Moorhead
      St Thomas
      Gustavus Adolphus
      Augsburg
      St Olaf
      St Marys
      St Benedicts
      St Catherine
      St Thomas
      Hamline
      College of St Scholastica
      Bethel

      Wisconsin
      UW-Superior
      UW-River Falls
      UW-Stevens Point
      UW-Eau Claire
      Concordia-WI
      St Norbert
      Marian

      Illinois
      Lake Forest

      Michigan
      Adrian
      Finlandia

      The East I'll do my best
      Pennsylvania
      Neumann
      Chatham

      New York
      Buffalo State
      Cortland
      Elmira
      Plattsburgh
      Oswego
      Utica
      Potsdam
      Plymouth State
      Manhattanville
      Hamilton

      Massachusetts
      Umass Boston
      Amherst
      Williams
      Nichols

      Vermont
      Middlebury
      Norwich
      St Michaels
      Castleton

      Maine
      Colby
      Southern Maine
      Bowdoin
      University of New England

      Connecticut
      Trinity
      Wesleyan
      Connecticut College

      Maryland
      Stevenson

      Rhode Island
      Salve Regina

      New Hampshire
      St Anselm
      New England College
      Franklin Pierce
      There's also Plymouth State

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      • #18
        Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

        Thanks gojack & pakid.

        State / Female USA Hockey registrants (all ages) / D1 Whock / D3 Whock / D1 & D3 programs per 1000 players

        MN 12,697 5 12 1.34
        MA 9,564 5 4 0.94
        NY 5,477 8 9 3.10
        MI 4,620 0 2 0.43
        WI 3,352 1 7 2.39
        PA 2,715 3 2 1.84
        IL 2,543 0 1 0.39
        CT 2,482 4 3 2.82
        CO 2,220 0 0 0
        AK 1,859 0 0 0
        CA 1,676 0 0 0
        VT 1,229 1 4 4.07
        NJ 1,194 1 0 0.84
        ME 1,147 1 4 4.36
        NH 1,142 2 4 5.25
        ND 1,075 1 0 0.93
        OH 1,065 1 0 0.94
        MD 933 0 1 1.07
        MT 873 0 0 0
        WA 814 0 0 0
        RI 796 2 1 3.77
        FL 628 0 0 0
        VA 624 0 0 0
        ID 582 0 0 0
        MO 483 1 0 2.07

        I moved Plymouth State from NY to NH.

        Slewfoot: Agree, MN players is an underestimate because High School are not included in USA Hockey registrants, unlike states where club hockey dominates at the high school ages. Note that any High School players who went through the Advanced / High Performance process, or who register so they can be an assistant coach on a youth team would be included. No sure what percentage of high school players do this, but there's probably a few hundred.

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        • #19
          Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

          12-13 DIII Recruit Class Totals: 335... 299 USA (89%), 30 CAN (9%) , 6 Int (2%).
          Not including the NESCAC Schools and Plymouth State. Rosters are not posted.

          Minnesota............99
          Wisconsin............28
          Massachusetts.....27
          New York............25
          Michigan.............19
          Pennsylvania.......10
          New Hampshire.....8
          New Jersey..........8
          Connecticut.........8
          Colorado..............7
          Illinois.................7
          Maine.................7
          California.............6
          Ohio...................5
          Vermont..............5
          North Dakota........4
          Alaska.................3
          Rhode Island........3
          Missouri...............3
          Indiana................2
          Maryland..............2
          Virginia................2
          Arizona................2
          Montana..............1
          North Carolina.......1
          Florida.................1
          Georgia................1
          Iowa...................1
          South Dakota.......1
          Texas.................1
          Utah...................1
          Washington..........1
          US Total............299
          Sweeden.............4
          Denmark..............1
          Japan .................1
          Canada..............30
          Total................335
          Please excuse any speed errors, this is not official.

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          • #20
            Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

            Gameworn that is an awesome list. The # that sticks out to me the most is that only 30 Canadiens play D3. I guess our friends from the North will play college hockey in the US if it is free but don't like to pay for D3 (I don't either).

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Call It View Post
              Gameworn that is an awesome list. The # that sticks out to me the most is that only 30 Canadiens play D3. I guess our friends from the North will play college hockey in the US if it is free but don't like to pay for D3 (I don't either).
              Not sure that's true as most of the top mens DIII teams are mostly Canadian....

              A quicl look of the Big 3 (Norwich, Elmira, Plattsburgh) in womens show 57% of the team is NOT American.....so of the non american players, most go to your top DIII schools.....
              Last edited by PSUChamps2001; 10-30-2012, 09:37 PM.
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              • #22
                Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                Originally posted by Call It View Post
                Gameworn that is an awesome list. The # that sticks out to me the most is that only 30 Canadiens play D3. I guess our friends from the North will play college hockey in the US if it is free but don't like to pay for D3 (I don't either).
                I wouldn't say that that is true at all as the typical costs for a D1 player are probably comparable to those of a D3 player. The aid packages can bring school costs down to a comparable level to that of a partial scholly very easily.

                I would say that it has more to do with them choosing to stay in Canada and play CIS over D3. The hockey is comparable and the costs in Canada are equal to or less then what they would be to play in the States.
                ...and whadaya know, it's another freshman...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cali View Post
                  I wouldn't say that that is true at all as the typical costs for a D1 player are probably comparable to those of a D3 player. The aid packages can bring school costs down to a comparable level to that of a partial scholly very easily.

                  I would say that it has more to do with them choosing to stay in Canada and play CIS over D3. The hockey is comparable and the costs in Canada are equal to or less then what they would be to play in the States.
                  The Canadians at UWS have decline a little. They used to make up about half, it's now down to about a third. The decline is more prevalent on the men's side. I looked at 04 season the men's team had 22/29 from Canada. This year I counted 5 or 6. Is it that the talent level of US players is goin up enough to match Canadian talent?
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                  • #24
                    Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                    Originally posted by Call It View Post
                    Gameworn that is an awesome list. The # that sticks out to me the most is that only 30 Canadiens play D3. I guess our friends from the North will play college hockey in the US if it is free but don't like to pay for D3 (I don't either).
                    Your statement that only 30 Canadiens play D3 is misleading. Pretty sure there are many more than that. The combined rosters of Plattsburgh and Norwich alone list 25 Canadians on them. Pretty sure the numbers posted by Gameworn14 represent the current Rookie crop, not the complete list of D3 players.

                    And as someone already stated, Canadians have good options back home. CIS hockey is on average of higher caliber than D3 hockey.
                    Last edited by OnMAA; 10-31-2012, 09:09 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                      Originally posted by OnMAA View Post
                      Your statement that only 30 Canadiens play D3 is misleading. Pretty sure there are many more than that. The combined rosters of Plattsburgh and Norwich alone list 25 Canadians on them. Pretty sure the numbers posted by Gameworn14 represent the current Rookie crop, not the complete list of D3 players.

                      And as someone already stated, Canadians have good options back home. CIS hockey is on average of higher caliber than D3 hockey.
                      Is it just the rookies? I thought 30 was low. Does Canada's dolloar come into play here? CIS schools play D1 US Schools, wouldn't they be more like D1 than D3?

                      I think that the NCAA is moving into Canada? If so, that would really change the picture. Probably 10 years away.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                        Originally posted by Call It View Post
                        I think that the NCAA is moving into Canada? If so, that would really change the picture. Probably 10 years away.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                          Originally posted by GameWorn14 View Post
                          12-13 DIII Recruit Class Totals: 335... 299 USA (89%), 30 CAN (9%) , 6 Int (2%).
                          Not including the NESCAC Schools and Plymouth State. Rosters are not posted.

                          Minnesota............99
                          Wisconsin............28
                          Massachusetts.....27
                          New York............25
                          Michigan.............19
                          Pennsylvania.......10
                          New Hampshire.....8
                          New Jersey..........8
                          Connecticut.........8
                          Colorado..............7
                          Illinois.................7
                          Maine.................7
                          California.............6
                          Ohio...................5
                          Vermont..............5
                          North Dakota........4
                          Alaska.................3
                          Rhode Island........3
                          Missouri...............3
                          Indiana................2
                          Maryland..............2
                          Virginia................2
                          Arizona................2
                          Montana..............1
                          North Carolina.......1
                          Florida.................1
                          Georgia................1
                          Iowa...................1
                          South Dakota.......1
                          Texas.................1
                          Utah...................1
                          Washington..........1
                          US Total............299
                          Sweeden.............4
                          Denmark..............1
                          Japan .................1
                          Canada..............30
                          Total................335
                          Please excuse any speed errors, this is not official.

                          Including the NESCAC schools, Massachusetts' number will go to the mid to high 30s
                          Last edited by ONR; 10-31-2012, 12:27 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                            Originally posted by GameWorn14 View Post
                            12-13 DIII Recruit Class Totals: 335... 299 USA (89%), 30 CAN (9%) , 6 Int (2%).
                            Not including the NESCAC Schools and Plymouth State. Rosters are not posted.

                            Minnesota............99
                            Wisconsin............28
                            Massachusetts.....27
                            New York............25
                            Michigan.............19
                            Pennsylvania.......10
                            New Hampshire.....8
                            New Jersey..........8
                            Connecticut.........8
                            Colorado..............7
                            Illinois.................7
                            Maine.................7
                            California.............6
                            Ohio...................5
                            Vermont..............5
                            North Dakota........4
                            Alaska.................3
                            Rhode Island........3
                            Missouri...............3
                            Indiana................2
                            Maryland..............2
                            Virginia................2
                            Arizona................2
                            Montana..............1
                            North Carolina.......1
                            Florida.................1
                            Georgia................1
                            Iowa...................1
                            South Dakota.......1
                            Texas.................1
                            Utah...................1
                            Washington..........1
                            US Total............299
                            Sweeden.............4
                            Denmark..............1
                            Japan .................1
                            Canada..............30
                            Total................335
                            Please excuse any speed errors, this is not official.
                            The list was just freshmen, I looked at all posted rosters the NESCAC and Plymouth State were not listed as of Oct-30.
                            I went by the home town of each player. I also did not include Franklin Pierce as they are listed as D II.
                            Canadians listed by conference were Independent = 1, ECAC East = 5, ECAC West= 19 (Neumann has 9), NCHA = 5.
                            I could be off by 1 or 2 as I looked at many teams pages but, I believe this to be close.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                              Originally posted by Call It View Post
                              Is it just the rookies?
                              Pretty sure Rookies only. Total list was 335 players. Smear that over about 50 teams, that is 7 players per team. Sounds about right for an average rookie class.

                              Originally posted by Call It View Post
                              I thought 30 was low.
                              Extrapolate 30 players over 4 years and you got 120 Canucks in D3. There are about 350 Canucks playing in D1 and about 750 Canucks in the CIS.

                              Originally posted by Call It View Post
                              Does Canada's dolloar come into play here?
                              It is always a factor. Right now dollar is on Par, has been for the last 4 years, give or take 5%.

                              Originally posted by Call It View Post
                              CIS schools play D1 US Schools, wouldn't they be more like D1 than D3?
                              Some Top CIS schools play D1 schools and tend to lose by a goal or two. Mc Gill was about 500 in the past, but this year they are 0-6 vs NCAA D1 teams. Overall the top CIS schools are equivalent to Mid to Low D1 and better than high end D3. Most mid pack CIS schools would be upper half D3 schools. Parity in CIS is much closer than parity in D3. D3 has a much wider range of caliber between top and bottom.

                              Originally posted by Call It View Post
                              I think that the NCAA is moving into Canada? If so, that would really change the picture.
                              There has been talk in recent years of schools like McGill and Simon Fraser joining the NCAA. Simon Fraser is already playing in the NAIA for certain sports. However, the CIS brass is trying to kibosh that with threats of all or nothing against schools that want to move some sports.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Female players by state versus college hockey options

                                Originally posted by D2D View Post
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