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  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

    Largest separation in points so far, by a lot.
    Last edited by Snively65; 08-15-2014, 08:35 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
      Largest separation in points so far, by a lot.
      Largest separation, yes, but I don't know if I would characterize it as by a lot. 27 and 28 were seperated by 7 points. FWIW, there will be far bigger separations than this.
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      National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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      • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
        FWIW, there will be far bigger separations than this.
        So, I surmise that some hardware is worth more than other hardware. :-)

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        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

          Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
          So, I surmise that some hardware is worth more than other hardware. :-)
          That would be correct.
          North Dakota
          National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

            Shouldn't that read, "All hardware is equal, but some hardware is more equal than others."

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            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

              #22 - St. Lawrence Saints
              All-Time Record (Division 1): 1025-892-114 (.533)
              NCAA Tournament Appearances: 16
              NCAA Tournament Record: 5-25
              Frozen Four Appearances: 9 (1952, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1988, 2000)
              Best Result: National Runner Up (1961, 1988)
              Most Dominant Season*: 1987-1988 (29-9-0 (.763), ECAC Tournament Champions, NCAA National Runner Up)
              Conference Championships: Regular Season - 8 Tournament - 6
              National Championships: 0
              Points Earned - 67.3464
              Change: -1.6583 (- 2.40%)**
              Last Season Position: 22 (unchanged)

              The St. Lawrence Saints come in at #22. The Saints' ranking is largely based on old success. In an 11 year span from 1951-1952 to 1961-1962, the Saints made 7 trips to the Final Four. Only once did SLU advance to the title game, going a disappointing 2-12 on the big stage. In the late 80s and at the turn of the century, the Saints put together some good squads as well, making two trips to the National Semifinals, including the 1988 squad that came within a game of winning the program's first national title. Over the last decade, St. Lawrence has made the NCAA Tournament just once (2007), while rotating winning and losing seasons as of late. Coach Greg Carvel will have his work cut out for him next season, as the Saints return just one of their top 5 scorers from last season, and lose both Carey brothers. Top netminder Matt Weninger is also gone. Moreover, it doesn't help matters either that SLU is playing in a conference that features that past two NCAA National Champions. For the Saints to remain where they are, or perhaps even rise in these rankings, they will have to get back to making NCAA Tournaments, Frozen Fours, and win some conference hardware. For now, they sit at #22.

              #22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
              #23 - Union - 57.2992
              #24 - Providence - 48.6853
              #25 - Miami - 46.6971
              #26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
              #27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
              #28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
              #29 - Colgate - 31.9207
              #30 - Northeastern - 25.981
              #31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
              #32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
              #33 - Brown - 21.4977
              #34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
              #35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
              #36 - Vermont - 17.4219
              #37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
              #38 - RIT - 9.4061
              #39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
              #40 - Niagara - 7.9213
              #41 - Princeton - 7.1971
              #42 - Air Force - 6.4961
              #43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
              #44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
              #45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
              #46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
              #47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
              #48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
              #49 - Alaska - 3.8568
              #50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
              #51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
              #52 - Army - 1.6052
              #53 - Canisius - 0.6028
              #54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
              #55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
              #56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
              #57 - Penn State - 0.0589
              #58 - AIC - 0.0374
              #59 - Bentley - 0.0363

              *According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)

              **Each season I go back through and triple check the data to ensure that it is correct. Given the vast amount of data used, there is usually a mistake or two that I catch that results in a team either gaining or losing points that they normally would not have. This year, I found that I had incorrectly counted St. Lawrence's Regular Season conference championships (counted their Tri-State League titles while they were playing in the ECAC). That resulted in them losing about a couple points. This season they actually accrued around a half point.
              North Dakota
              National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                #21 - Yale Bulldogs
                All-Time Record (Division 1): 1199-1208-127 (.498)
                NCAA Tournament Appearances: 6
                NCAA Tournament Record: 7-5
                Frozen Four Appearances: 2 (1952, 2013)
                Best Result: National Champion (2013)
                Most Dominant Season*: 2010-2011 (28-7-1 (.792), ECAC Tournament Champion, NCAA Tournament Appearance, #1 Overall Seed)
                Conference Championships: Regular Season - 3 Tournament - 2
                National Championships: 1
                Points Earned - 74.1412
                Change: 1.4926 (+ 2.05%)
                Last Season Position: 21 (unchanged)

                The Yale Bulldogs come in at #21. Yale could not follow up their National Championship run with another great campaign, as the Bulldogs went just 17-11-5, failing in their quest to make the NCAA Tournament for the fifth time in six seasons. However, Yale has truly been one of the nation's top programs in recent history. The Bulldogs have not dipped below the .500 mark since coach Keith Allain's first season in 2006-2007. Moreover, Yale has made four trips to the NCAA Tournament, advancing to the Regional Finals three separate times, and of course winning the National Championship in 2013. Those results have rocketed the Bulldogs up these rankings. Yale will look to continue their winning ways this season, but it will be a difficult task for Coach Allain. Yale loses their top two scorers and top defenseman from last season, but return both netminders and nearly everyone else from a team that finished in the middle of the pack in the grueling ECAC. If Yale can get back to making the NCAA Tournament, winning conference hardware, and perhaps win another national title, they will continue to move up these rankings. For now, they sit at #21.

                #21 - Yale - 74.1412
                #22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
                #23 - Union - 57.2992
                #24 - Providence - 48.6853
                #25 - Miami - 46.6971
                #26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
                #27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
                #28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
                #29 - Colgate - 31.9207
                #30 - Northeastern - 25.981
                #31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
                #32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
                #33 - Brown - 21.4977
                #34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
                #35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
                #36 - Vermont - 17.4219
                #37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
                #38 - RIT - 9.4061
                #39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
                #40 - Niagara - 7.9213
                #41 - Princeton - 7.1971
                #42 - Air Force - 6.4961
                #43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
                #44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
                #45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
                #46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
                #47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
                #48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
                #49 - Alaska - 3.8568
                #50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
                #51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
                #52 - Army - 1.6052
                #53 - Canisius - 0.6028
                #54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
                #55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
                #56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
                #57 - Penn State - 0.0589
                #58 - AIC - 0.0374
                #59 - Bentley - 0.0363

                *According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)
                Last edited by Fighting Sioux 23; 08-21-2014, 01:48 PM.
                North Dakota
                National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                  #20 - Bowling Green Falcons
                  All-Time Record (Division 1): 820-758-114 (.518)
                  NCAA Tournament Appearances: 9
                  NCAA Tournament Record: 7-13-1
                  Frozen Four Appearances: 2 (1978-1984)
                  Best Result: National Champion (1984)
                  Most Dominant Season*: 1983-1984 (34-8-2 (.795), CCHA Regular Season Champions, NCAA National Champions)
                  Conference Championships: Regular Season - 7 Tournament - 5
                  National Championships: 1
                  Points Earned - 80.4704
                  Change: 0.3565 (+ 0.44%)
                  Last Season Position: 20 (unchanged)

                  The Bowling Green Falcons come in at #20. The Falcons had their best season in nearly twenty years in 2013-2014, winning 18 games (tied for most since 1995-1996) en route to a .538 winning percentage (best since 1995-1996), and losing just 15 games (fewest since 1995-1996). The Falcons nearly capitalized last season into an NCAA Tournament bid before falling in the close semifinal match in the WCHA Tournament. Had they won the bid, it would have been Bowling Green's first NCAA Appearance since Jerry York led the Falcons to the Tournament in 1990. In fact, few programs were as good as the Falcons from the mid-70s up until 1990. In that time, Bowling Green made all 9 of their NCAA appearances, both Frozen Fours, and won their national title. Of course, they had legendary coaches Ron Mason and Jerry York behind the bench. Heading into next season, the Falcons return 7 of their top 9 scorers, and Tommy Burke will be back in net hoping to keep up where he left off last season. If Bowling Green can get back to their form from the days under Mason and York, win some conference hardware, and make more trips back to the NCAA Tournament, they will be able to rise up these rankings. For now, they sit at #20.

                  #20 - Bowling Green - 80.4704
                  #21 - Yale - 74.1412
                  #22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
                  #23 - Union - 57.2992
                  #24 - Providence - 48.6853
                  #25 - Miami - 46.6971
                  #26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
                  #27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
                  #28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
                  #29 - Colgate - 31.9207
                  #30 - Northeastern - 25.981
                  #31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
                  #32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
                  #33 - Brown - 21.4977
                  #34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
                  #35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
                  #36 - Vermont - 17.4219
                  #37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
                  #38 - RIT - 9.4061
                  #39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
                  #40 - Niagara - 7.9213
                  #41 - Princeton - 7.1971
                  #42 - Air Force - 6.4961
                  #43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
                  #44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
                  #45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
                  #46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
                  #47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
                  #48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
                  #49 - Alaska - 3.8568
                  #50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
                  #51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
                  #52 - Army - 1.6052
                  #53 - Canisius - 0.6028
                  #54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
                  #55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
                  #56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
                  #57 - Penn State - 0.0589
                  #58 - AIC - 0.0374
                  #59 - Bentley - 0.0363

                  *According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)
                  Last edited by Fighting Sioux 23; 08-24-2014, 10:40 AM.
                  North Dakota
                  National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                    Four more ECAC teams missing and unaccounted for
                    Cornell
                    Harvard
                    Clarkson
                    RPI
                    DUTCHMEN HOCKEY
                    DANGER - MEN AT WORK

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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                      Originally posted by Dutchman View Post
                      Four more ECAC teams missing and unaccounted for
                      Cornell
                      Harvard
                      Clarkson
                      RPI
                      The Big Ten also with four:
                      Minnesota
                      Michigan
                      Michigan State
                      Wisconsin

                      And that's out of six!
                      Minnesota Golden Gopher Hockey

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                      • Originally posted by D2D View Post
                        The Big Ten also with four:
                        Minnesota
                        Michigan
                        Michigan State
                        Wisconsin

                        And that's out of six!
                        HE also. Heck, if you don't have four teams still to come, are you really a hockey conference?
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                        Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories. - Stephen Wright

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                        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                          Originally posted by Dutchman View Post
                          Four more ECAC teams missing and unaccounted for
                          Cornell
                          Harvard
                          Clarkson
                          RPI
                          Originally posted by D2D View Post
                          The Big Ten also with four:
                          Minnesota
                          Michigan
                          Michigan State
                          Wisconsin

                          And that's out of six!
                          Originally posted by Aerman View Post
                          HE also. Heck, if you don't have four teams still to come, are you really a hockey conference?
                          😛
                          Top 20 Programs by (current) conference affiliation:

                          Atlantic Hockey (0):

                          Big Ten (4):
                          Michigan
                          Michigan State
                          Minnesota
                          Wisconsin

                          ECAC (4):
                          Clarkson
                          Cornell
                          Harvard
                          RPI

                          Hockey East (4):
                          Boston College
                          Boston University
                          Maine
                          New Hampshire

                          NCHC (4):
                          Colorado College
                          Denver
                          Minnesota Duluth
                          North Dakota

                          WCHA (4):
                          Bowling Green
                          Lake Superior State
                          Michigan Tech
                          Northern Michigan
                          North Dakota
                          National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                            Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                            Top 20 Programs by (current) conference affiliation:
                            BIAS!


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                            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                              Don't tell me there's some other BS lawsuit that is stopping this list

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                              • Originally posted by giwan View Post
                                Don't tell me there's some other BS lawsuit that is stopping this list
                                No lawsuit...just very busy. I'll have #s 19 and 18 up by Monday. For certain will have the entire list done by October.
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                                National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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