Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

[Farce Poobah]

Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

I had forgotten Trayvon Martin was a minor. It's too bad "master" has gone out of use.

Edit: the more I think, the more I reject the "classical English usage" argument. (Mind you, I quite believe that IS why it is that way in the article, so I'm not saying I think Farce Poobah is wrong about his answer, I just reject the idea of doing it that way.) It just seems to me that calling someone by surname only is impolite, unless you call everyone by surname only, or if it is someone who is known to prefer to be called that way. It seems to me that if you are going to abandon the usage of the polite title for juveniles, then you should extend the polite title for adults to those juveniles. Just my $.02

I agree with you. Well said.
I don't like the usage either.

[Twitch Boy]

Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

Zimmerman out on $150K bail.

If you're in Z's shoes right now, what do you do?

[Old Pio]

Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

Zimmerman out on $150K bail.

If you're in Z's shoes right now, what do you do?

Find out if somebody's using Cheney's secure location.

[amherstblackbear]

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Zimmerman out on $150K bail.

If you're in Z's shoes right now, what do you do?

Throw on a baggy hoodie for anonymity, and head to 7-11 for some Arizona tea and skittles.

[dxmnkd316]

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Zimmerman out on $150K bail.

If you're in Z's shoes right now, what do you do?

Arm yourself?

[FreshFish]

Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

A reporter for Reuters compiled a detailed background profile of George Zimmerman that was reprinted in the NY Post.

a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.

Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.

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Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."

Zimmerman comes across in this article more like an overzealous overgrown Boy Scout who got in over his head.

[Old Pio]

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A reporter for Reuters compiled a detailed background profile of George Zimmerman that was reprinted in the NY Post.







Zimmerman comes across in this article more like an overzealous overgrown Boy Scout who got in over his head.

It's a far more nuanced portrait than any we've seen.

[5mn_Major]

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Thanks for that. Its a mixed report on Zimmerman that in the end evokes sympathy for him. From this report, its looks like a tough situation for everyone. The extent to which that should excuse him for a murder (if that turns out to be the deal) is questionable yet.

Again based on this, it appears its a comination of a difficult situation with local crime with Martin right there, Zimmerman being over his head, and most importantly, a series of bad laws that made the whole thing unfold in this manner that caused this. We can never fix the first two, but IMO the laws should be fixed.

[Bob Gray]

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It's a far more nuanced portrait than any we've seen.

Agreed. Too bad most of the media never do anything substantive like this.

[Old Pio]

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Thanks for that. Its a mixed report on Zimmerman that in the end evokes sympathy for him. From this report, its looks like a tough situation for everyone. The extent to which that should excuse him for a murder (if that turns out to be the deal) is questionable yet.

Again based on this, it appears its a comination of a difficult situation with local crime with Martin right there, Zimmerman being over his head, and most importantly, a series of bad laws that made the whole thing unfold in this manner that caused this. We can never fix the first two, but IMO the laws should be fixed.

Sorta knocks the pins out from under the core argument of the Revs, His Racistness and the rest of the baying mob: that Zimmerman was motivated by racial animus. Dershowitz calls the indictment "criminal" and "stupid." That about covers it. The two "real" stories here, IMO are the willingness of His Runningness to risk serious racial unrest in order to fire up his black base in a battleground state and the willingness of many in the MSM to once again rush to help him. NBC would be number one on that list.

[FreshFish]

Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

Sorta knocks the pins out from under the core argument of the Revs, His Racistness and the rest of the baying mob: that Zimmerman was motivated by racial animus. Dershowitz calls the indictment "criminal" and "stupid." That about covers it. The two "real" stories here, IMO are the willingness of His Runningness to risk serious racial unrest in order to fire up his black base in a battleground state and the willingness of many in the MSM to once again rush to help him. NBC would be number one on that list.

According to undisclosed sources, the NBC producer who edited out the question from the 911 operator was fired.

[Old Pio]

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According to undisclosed sources, the NBC producer who edited out the question from the 911 operator was fired.

Too bad NBC hasn't seen fit to apologize for the fraud it perpetrated on the American public. The station involved is an "O & O" meaning it's owned and operated by the network. And this obscure fall guy was therefore an employee of the network. Based on my 35 years in the news business, an edit like that could not possibly have been an "accident," and somebody in the chain of command had to have known it. I have fired people for far less. It's disgraceful. And more than merely firing some dude, NBC should apologize and promise us it won't happen again. And they should do it during their nightly newscast, not in a GD press release.

[Foxton]

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Based on my 35 years in the news business, an edit like that could not possibly have been an "accident," and somebody in the chain of command had to have known it. I have fired people for far less. It's disgraceful. And more than merely firing some dude, NBC should apologize and promise us it won't happen again. And they should do it during their nightly newscast, not in a GD press release.

Thanks, I needed to see a good joke today.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Too bad NBC hasn't seen fit to apologize for the fraud it perpetrated on the American public. The station involved is an "O & O" meaning it's owned and operated by the network. And this obscure fall guy was therefore an employee of the network. Based on my 35 years in the news business, an edit like that could not possibly have been an "accident," and somebody in the chain of command had to have known it. I have fired people for far less. It's disgraceful. And more than merely firing some dude, NBC should apologize and promise us it won't happen again. And they should do it during their nightly newscast, not in a GD press release.

You mean like the way the last paragraph in the article describes?

On Tuesday, NBC said its investigation turned up "an error made in the production process that we deeply regret." It promised that "necessary steps" would be taken "to prevent this from happening in the future" and apologized to viewers.

I don't know if the apology was on air or not (I do agree that it should be) but it looks like they have.

[Old Pio]

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You mean like the way the last paragraph in the article describes?

I don't know if the apology was on air or not (I do agree that it should be) but it looks like they have.

Not to my knowledge. They should apologize in every news segment in which the fraudulent audio was used. On Today and where ever else. They should also explain in greater detail how this happend. And how it wasn't deliberate, if that is their contention. And they're hoping a quote in a wire service story will get them off the hook. Maybe it will.