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Last edited by Kepler; 04-09-2012, 02:02 PM.Cornell University
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Originally posted by leswp1 View PostThe Jews at the time told stories to make a point, not to exactly state minute facts. They were not meant to be taken literally. We had an Intern Pastor who was a convert from Judiasm. He was the most fascinating guy- he explained a lot of the Bible from the Jewish standpoint. The Bible was written for the Jews at the time so much of the nuance is lost on modern day Christians. To the Jews of the time, and to this time too, alot of what was written made more sense to them. It is supposed to convey the underlying idea, not give minutia. The tree of Life/knowledge symbolized the knowledge of good and evil in more than a superficial way, the '40 days' phrase does not mean 40 days but the equivilent of a long time. The use of many of the numbers was based on tradition and prior stories, to tie things together, not to mean actually that number. This is equivilent to someone trying to translate coloquial English from a thousand years ago. If you lose the context the literal translation doesn't work well. If you know the background of the time it makes much more sense in the telling.
He did a great thing on why Genesis has 3 different versions of the creation story and what the point of each was. My favorite was when he did the one about Jesus driving the demons out of the herd of swine. He started with-"does anyone wonder why Jews were wandering around with a herd of swine? Jews don't do pig."
Since I used the example earlier, Moses said he was going to the mountain for 40 days, he then went again for exactly 40 days. Specifically 40 days. You might as well be arguing that someone who says they are going to be gone for 2 weeks is really saying they might be gone for 2 days. Or you might just be an annoying english teacher. That doesn't stop it from having a symbolic meaning, but symbolic doesn't mean non-literal. On top of that, which came first? It's not like religious texts have a good track record for not taking over symbols or filling in prophecies after the fact.
Originally posted by FreshFish View PostI've never heard you provide a credible explanation for why people should behave well toward others.
Originally posted by Timothy A View PostI believe what the Bible says because of this: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16).
Interestingly, yes Moses lived to 120, Abraham lived to 175, Isaac to 180 and Adam to 930.
Originally posted by MUnRPI View PostHow do you use anything but semantics to debate the existence of a higher power?
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Originally posted by Foxton View PostThat's nice, except up until very recently chronologically it was purely literal. Plenty of it is figurative or referential, but there's just as much where they go into great detail on minutia.
Originally posted by Foxton View PostIf you must ask such a question, then it's more than likely that such a debate would be lost upon you.Last edited by FreshFish; 04-09-2012, 11:55 PM."Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."
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Know why Jesus ruled?
“Jesus waited three days to come back to life. It was perfect! If he had only waited one day, a lot of people wouldn't have even heard he died. They'd be all, "Hey Jesus, what up?" and Jesus would probably be like, "What up? I died yesterday!" and they'd be all, "Uh, you look pretty alive to me, dude..." and then Jesus would have to explain how he was resurrected, and how it was a miracle, and the dude'd be like "Uhh okay, whatever you say, bro..." And he's not gonna come back on a Saturday. Everybody's busy, doing chores, workin' the loom, trimmin' the beard, NO. He waited the perfect number of days, three. Plus it's Sunday, so everyone's in church already, and they're all in there like "Oh no, Jesus is dead", and then BAM! He bursts in the back door, runnin' up the aisle, everyone's totally psyched, and FYI, that's when he invented the high five. That's why we wait three days to call a woman, because that's how long Jesus wants us to wait.... True story.”
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostWow, I had no idea you were such an accomplished linguist! You've read the texts in their original Latin, Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, etc. so that you are sure what you are saying is based on the actual texts and not some considerations with the translations! I am really impressed.
I thank the Lord we are so lucky to have you around to explain things to us. We would be so bereft without your wisdom.
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Originally posted by Foxton View PostImpressive how you don't apply this same limp noodle criticism to those who agree with you. But how trivial of you to assume everyone is as ignorant as you or so easily assuaged by childish apologetics.
You are an ugly sinning being who only wants to rebel, so I forgive you.
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Originally posted by FoxtonImpressive how you don't apply this same limp noodle criticism to those who agree with you. But how trivial of you to assume everyone is as ignorant as you or so easily assuaged by childish apologetics.
You are an ugly sinning being who only wants to rebel, so I forgive you.
Originally posted by leswp1 View PostEvery year you pop up in this thread and make a fool of yourself. If you don't believe, good for you. For those who believe, good for them. I don't know who pizzed in your wheaties or made you so obsessed with telling everyone how brilliant and superior you are about the subject of faith (or lack of it) but I do know you lack the ability to express yourself in a way that can be respected. That much bitterness about anything is not healthy.
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Originally posted by Foxton View PostImpressive how you don't apply this same limp noodle criticism to those who agree with you. But how trivial of you to assume everyone is as ignorant as you or so easily assuaged by childish apologetics.
Typical bully. "No soup for you!""Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."
"Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostWhen I was young, we had a saying about certain people, "They can dish it out but they can't take it."Cornell University
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Originally posted by MUnRPI View Post*Reads a Christopher Hitchens book* becomes an expert in theology
(but Hitchens is (was?) apparently worshipped as a replacement God to these guys, so they really don't see a problem with it.)
It makes me wonder if they think Hitchens really died or not. It could cause them some cognitive dissonance problems if he's actually truly dead.Huskies are very intelligent and trainable. Huskies make an excellent jogging companion, as long as it is not too hot. Grooming is minimal; bathing is normally unnecessary.
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Originally posted by leswp1 View PostEvery year you pop up in this thread and make a fool of yourself. If you don't believe, good for you. For those who believe, good for them. I don't know who pizzed in your wheaties or made you so obsessed with telling everyone how brilliant and superior you are about the subject of faith (or lack of it) but I do know you lack the ability to express yourself in a way that can be respected. That much bitterness about anything is not healthy.
Perhaps you could help me with deciding what is and what isn't literal. Would a good definition to decide be whatever sounds good is literal but bad equals allegory. Maybe even... out of context?
Originally posted by FreshFish View PostWhen I was young, we had a saying about certain people, "They can dish it out but they can't take it."
Typical bully. "No soup for you!"
Originally posted by MUnRPI View Post*Reads a Christopher Hitchens book* becomes an expert in theology
Originally posted by geezer View Postlol. that's pretty accurate.
(but Hitchens is (was?) apparently worshipped as a replacement God to these guys, so they really don't see a problem with it.)
It makes me wonder if they think Hitchens really died or not. It could cause them some cognitive dissonance problems if he's actually truly dead.
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