Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth

[Rover]

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You're right that they tend to be cyclical, but those cycles are usually a result of certain actions. I'm not sure what triggered BC's drop in the early nineties, but I suspect that it had to do with Ceglarski no longer being able to land recruits like Leetch, Janney, and Emma. Then bringing York in certainly triggered a cycle change. BU needs something to trigger a new cycle, and as you say, let's hope the people in charge realize this.

Exactly. We've been in a down cycle for 15 years, and that's not going to change unless the school cleans house with the coaching staff. I seriously doubt Parker gets it that there's a problem, and even worse that it might be himself. While not knowing the man personally, introspection and self evaluation don't seem to be big parts of his being, if his public comments are any indication. Those qualities certainly served him well over his career, but are a detriment now.

BTW, whoever posted that all coaches should be fired if we hold them to Jerry York's standard is an idiot. One reason why BC has been so successful is because their rival school is nowhere to be found when it comes to knocking them off once in awhile. Its hard to find two more similar schools than BU and BC in hockey. They're on the same freakin street, similar arenas, academic offerings, cost, size, (relatively speaking, while BU has more students BC isn't a small school), financial resources, etc. Its not fair to say Ferris State should have the same long term success as BC. They played a hell of a game and showed a lot of pride, but year in and year out will have trouble keeping up. BU shouldn't be in that situation, which is why a change is long, long, long past due.

[BUTerrierfan]

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Exactly. We've been in a down cycle for 15 years, and that's not going to change unless the school cleans house with the coaching staff. I seriously doubt Parker gets it that there's a problem, and even worse that it might be himself. While not knowing the man personally, introspection and self evaluation don't seem to be big parts of his being, if his public comments are any indication. Those qualities certainly served him well over his career, but are a detriment now.

BTW, whoever posted that all coaches should be fired if we hold them to Jerry York's standard is an idiot. One reason why BC has been so successful is because their rival school is nowhere to be found when it comes to knocking them off once in awhile. Its hard to find two more similar schools than BU and BC in hockey. They're on the same freakin street, similar arenas, academic offerings, cost, size, (relatively speaking, while BU has more students BC isn't a small school), financial resources, etc. Its not fair to say Ferris State should have the same long term success as BC. They played a hell of a game and showed a lot of pride, but year in and year out will have trouble keeping up. BU shouldn't be in that situation, which is why a change is long, long, long past due.

Rover, some of your points are well taken but please be more careful with some of the information you have posted. Assuming that BC's "Rival School" is BU (duh), BU not only "knocked them off", BU trashed BC in the first 2 games of the match ups this season. BU lost a heartbreaker in OT in the Beanpot (tears), could have gone either way and got butt slapped in the last Hockey East game between the two...yet, BU won the season series in Hockey East, that's not too shabby.

[Tater]

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Rover, some of your points are well taken but please be more careful with some of the information you have posted. Assuming that BC's "Rival School" is BU (duh), BU not only "knocked them off", BU trashed BC in the first 2 games of the match ups this season. BU lost a heartbreaker in OT in the Beanpot (tears), could have gone either way and got butt slapped in the last Hockey East game between the two...yet, BU won the season series in Hockey East, that's not too shabby.

BC won 4 major trophies this year. BU none. Winning a season series is meaningless when BC wins the national title and goes to the FF 10 out of the last 15 years compared to BU's 1. 1 FF in 15 years is definitely "too shabby."

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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New email re: the task force.

TO: All Members of the Boston University Community

FROM: Jonathan Cole and Jean Morrison, Co-Chairs of the Men’s Ice
Hockey Task Force
DATE: April 9, 2012

SUBJECT: Men’s Ice Hockey Task Force – Call for Input


In March, President Brown established the Men’s Ice Hockey Task Force to assess the culture and climate of men's ice hockey at Boston University in the wake of charges of sexual assault against two members of the men’s ice hockey team (http://www.bu.edu/president/letters-...ers/2012/3-07/). The work of the Task Force is well under way. Our efforts are currently focused on gathering information and data that will enable us to assess whether the culture and climate of the hockey team are consistent with the values and mission of the University. As a reminder, our efforts are not directed at considering the guilt or innocence of the individuals who have been charged with sexual assault.


Gathering information from the Boston University community is an essential part of our efforts. Thus, we write to invite members of the BU community to provide relevant information, and to describe the ways in which to do so.

There are three different ways in which information may be provided to the Task Force. First, we will be hosting two Task Force Open Forums on campus. These are public meetings for members of the BU community to provide input to Task Force members. Members of the Task Force will be present at the Open Forums to listen to BU community input on issues that are relevant to the climate and culture of men's hockey.

The first Task Force Open Forum will take place on Wednesday, April 11th from 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. at Sargent Auditorium, 635 Commonwealth Ave. The second will take place on Monday, April 23rd from 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. in the Kenmore Classroom Building, Room 101, at 565 Commonwealth Ave. These sessions will be moderated by Dean of Students Kenneth Elmore and will employ clearly defined guidelines for participation.

Second, we have established a Task Force website which has a portal to receive written comments: http://www.bu.edu/hockey-task-force/. Members of the BU community are welcome to offer comments, either anonymously or by identifying themselves. Further guidelines for submitting comments are provided on the web site.

Third, members of the community are welcome to write letters, either anonymously or by identifying themselves, and send them to the Task Force in the care of the two chairs (Jean Morrison and Jonathan Cole) at Office of the Provost, Boston University, One Silber Way, Eighth Floor, Boston, MA 02215.

Please note that input provided with attribution will be more useful than unattributed information. For example, because the Task Force may wish to explore a particular matter in more detail, we may seek additional information from individuals who have provided attributed input.

Every reasonable effort will be made to protect the privacy and confidentiality of those who submit comments or letters, and of other individuals who may be identified in such communications to the Task Force. Because any apparent violation of law and/or Boston University policy that may come to light must be addressed, complete confidentiality may not be possible.

The deadline for providing information either via the web portal or directly in writing is 5:00 p.m. Friday, May 15, 2012.

We look forward to hearing from members of our community.

I still can't really believe all of this is happening. The fact that things have gotten to this point are troubling. At the same time, the fact that this is an ongoing process makes it very difficult to turn the page on these incidents, which I'm sure many of you would like to do (understandable to a certain extent).

[Rover]

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Rover, some of your points are well taken but please be more careful with some of the information you have posted. Assuming that BC's "Rival School" is BU (duh), BU not only "knocked them off", BU trashed BC in the first 2 games of the match ups this season. BU lost a heartbreaker in OT in the Beanpot (tears), could have gone either way and got butt slapped in the last Hockey East game between the two...yet, BU won the season series in Hockey East, that's not too shabby.

Appreciate your outlook, but this and 50 cents will buy BU a newspaper and not anything else. I don't personally give a rat's arse about winning a season series vs a team that won every trophy that they qualified for. Its kinda like former Sox GM Dan Duquette bragging that the Red Sox had spent more time in first place than the Yankees...in the same year the Yanks won the Series. Really, who the F cares?

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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BC won 4 major trophies this year. BU none. Winning a season series is meaningless when BC wins the national title and goes to the FF 10 out of the last 15 years compared to BU's 1. 1 FF in 15 years is definitely "too shabby."

Gentry speaks the truth. BU Raiders forever, Eagles never.

[mookie1995]

....Winning a season series is meaningless when BC wins the national title and goes to the FF 10 out of the last 15 years compared to BU's 1. 1 FF in 15 years is definitely "too shabby."

So only gentry sees the forest through the trees!!

[pirate]

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I agree with a lot of what you said, except for "it doesn't matter who won the National Championship." If BU is going head-to-head with BC for recruits, it certainly matters to the kids and their parents who just won a National Championship. Plus, from a pride point of view, it should matter to the players and coaches at BU. But that's just my opinion.

Understood. In my view, pride comes after the effort, it shouldn't be the driver of it. If we lost to BC in each of their recent NC's it would be a bitter pill but less bitter than only getting to the FF 1x and not qualifying at all several times.

I know we had 3 guys this year who made decisions that demonstrate it didn't matter that much to them. The rest of the team, I think it mattered, although not enough to not lead the world in penalties. Coaches, well there has been enough ink expended on that subject. I think it matters to them, the question is...can they translate that into results?

Given the mercenary nature of players, a quick turnaround is possible...changes to precipitate the turnaround are in the hands of the administration, AD and coaching staff.

[J.D.]

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Rover, some of your points are well taken but please be more careful with some of the information you have posted. Assuming that BC's "Rival School" is BU (duh), BU not only "knocked them off", BU trashed BC in the first 2 games of the match ups this season. BU lost a heartbreaker in OT in the Beanpot (tears), could have gone either way and got butt slapped in the last Hockey East game between the two...yet, BU won the season series in Hockey East, that's not too shabby.

Aside from what everyone else has countered with, the Beanpot final was only the beginning of the remarkable run BC went on. Had they met in the HE tourney or NCAA tourney, what do you think would have happened? Something similar to the Beanpot final? Or a more comfortable win for BC?

[brassbonanza]

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BC won 4 major trophies this year. BU none. Winning a season series is meaningless when BC wins the national title and goes to the FF 10 out of the last 15 years compared to BU's 1. 1 FF in 15 years is definitely "too shabby."

While you're right, he was responding to the specific comment:

One reason why BC has been so successful is because their rival school is nowhere to be found when it comes to knocking them off once in awhile.

Which, with respect to this season, is simply not true. We twice skated circles around them on the road, got crushed at home, and without our two top centers and five defensemen, gave them their stiffest competition during their win streak. Of course, that still doesn't get you anything in the grand scheme, but with respect to the quoted argument, it proves does prove it to be false.

[brassbonanza]

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Aside from what everyone else has countered with, the Beanpot final was only the beginning of the remarkable run BC went on. Had they met in the HE tourney or NCAA tourney, what do you think would have happened? Something similar to the Beanpot final? Or a more comfortable win for BC?

Who knows, of course BC would be favored. But Nicastro was basically useless in the Beanpot game, he shouldn't have been out there with his shoulder injury, he couldn't lift his stick above his waist, and we didn't have Privitera, so the roster that would have squared up in HE or NCAA would more or less have been the same.

If you want to play the if game, (useless but for the offseason) who would you take in a matchup between both teams' full rosters with Trivino/Coyle/Nicastro? Hard to put that beyond a coin flip.

[J.D.]

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Which, with respect to this season, is simply not true. We twice skated circles around them on the road, got crushed at home, and without our two top centers and five defensemen, gave them their stiffest competition during their win streak.

The Beanpot final was only win #5 of the streak. At that point, BC still wasn't playing at their highest level.

If you want to play the if game, (useless but for the offseason) who would you take in a matchup between both teams' full rosters with Trivino/Coyle/Nicastro? Hard to put that beyond a coin flip.

A coin flip? I can't agree with that, but then again, we'll never know what BU would have been with those guys. Even with them, it's hard to imagine them playing at a level higher than the one BC finished the season at. You're using BUs wins over BC when BC wasn't nearly the team it became as your argument for why it would be a coin toss. That just doesn't work.

[brassbonanza]

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A coin flip? I can't agree with that, but then again, we'll never know what BU would have been with those guys. Even with them, it's hard to imagine them playing at a level higher than the one BC finished the season at. You're using BUs wins over BC when BC wasn't nearly the team it became as your argument for why it would be a coin toss. That just doesn't work.

Of course we'll never know, but a "not playing well" BC team got thumped twice by a full roster BU team who themselves was coming off some pretty bad losses, so it would seem reasonable to conclude that both full rosters playing well would be somewhere around a coin flip.

[ericredaxe]

Not sure how I feel about the "accepting anonymous letters and comments" part of this.

New email re: the task force.

TO: All Members of the Boston University Community

FROM: Jonathan Cole and Jean Morrison, Co-Chairs of the Men’s Ice
Hockey Task Force
DATE: April 9, 2012

SUBJECT: Men’s Ice Hockey Task Force – Call for Input


In March, President Brown established the Men’s Ice Hockey Task Force to assess the culture and climate of men's ice hockey at Boston University in the wake of charges of sexual assault against two members of the men’s ice hockey team (http://www.bu.edu/president/letters-...ers/2012/3-07/). The work of the Task Force is well under way. Our efforts are currently focused on gathering information and data that will enable us to assess whether the culture and climate of the hockey team are consistent with the values and mission of the University. As a reminder, our efforts are not directed at considering the guilt or innocence of the individuals who have been charged with sexual assault.


Gathering information from the Boston University community is an essential part of our efforts. Thus, we write to invite members of the BU community to provide relevant information, and to describe the ways in which to do so.

There are three different ways in which information may be provided to the Task Force. First, we will be hosting two Task Force Open Forums on campus. These are public meetings for members of the BU community to provide input to Task Force members. Members of the Task Force will be present at the Open Forums to listen to BU community input on issues that are relevant to the climate and culture of men's hockey.

The first Task Force Open Forum will take place on Wednesday, April 11th from 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. at Sargent Auditorium, 635 Commonwealth Ave. The second will take place on Monday, April 23rd from 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. in the Kenmore Classroom Building, Room 101, at 565 Commonwealth Ave. These sessions will be moderated by Dean of Students Kenneth Elmore and will employ clearly defined guidelines for participation.

Second, we have established a Task Force website which has a portal to receive written comments: http://www.bu.edu/hockey-task-force/. Members of the BU community are welcome to offer comments, either anonymously or by identifying themselves. Further guidelines for submitting comments are provided on the web site.

Third, members of the community are welcome to write letters, either anonymously or by identifying themselves, and send them to the Task Force in the care of the two chairs (Jean Morrison and Jonathan Cole) at Office of the Provost, Boston University, One Silber Way, Eighth Floor, Boston, MA 02215.

Please note that input provided with attribution will be more useful than unattributed information. For example, because the Task Force may wish to explore a particular matter in more detail, we may seek additional information from individuals who have provided attributed input.

Every reasonable effort will be made to protect the privacy and confidentiality of those who submit comments or letters, and of other individuals who may be identified in such communications to the Task Force. Because any apparent violation of law and/or Boston University policy that may come to light must be addressed, complete confidentiality may not be possible.

The deadline for providing information either via the web portal or directly in writing is 5:00 p.m. Friday, May 15, 2012.

We look forward to hearing from members of our community.

[J.D.]

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Of course we'll never know, but a "not playing well" BC team got thumped twice by a full roster BU team who themselves was coming off some pretty bad losses, so it would seem reasonable to conclude that both full rosters playing well would be somewhere around a coin flip.

Not just playing "well". You'd have to think a full strength BU team could reach/play at the level BC reached/played at during the entire 19 game winning streak.