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PrezdeJohnson09
11-07-2010, 12:56 AM
This poll could be absolutely insane given the amount of upsets and losses everyone has already.

Here's my stab at it..Keep in mind these are my predictions and not how I would have voted. Personally I feel Stevens Point should be the #1 team out west right now given what they have done in their last four games but it won't happen that way I'm sure.

1.Norwich
2.Oswego
3.St. Norbert
4.Middlebury
5.Manhattanville
6.Bowdoin
7.Stevens Point
8.Hamline
9.Gustavus Adolphus
10.Plattsburgh
11.Elmira
12.Williams
13.Amherst
14.Marian
15.Adrian

If Geneseo beat Morrisville they'd be #7 in this poll. Since they lost, they are a borderline team now. I left them out but they could very well be in. River Falls and St, Scholastica will probably both still be in. At least one will be.

After the top two this is an absolute gong show.

XYZ
11-07-2010, 01:15 AM
The West is a trainwreck. Hamline beats St. Norbert, Point beat Hamline but lost to Lawrence. Adrian goes down. Gustavus and St. Thomas have lost - UST twice. Scholastica has two losses and St. Olaf fell to St. Mary's tonight after taking it to UST last night. Falls has two losses and a tie. Marian had a few votes but was run out of the barn on Friday. Eau Claire hammered Lawrence and beat Gustavus but lost tonight. Superior is quietly 3-1 with the loss being at Falls, where it also won, and Augsburg is 2-1-1.

Yessiree, might as well just throw them all into a Tiger Juicer right now and see what oozes out.

Some of it should get sorted out next week as Point hosts SNC twice with a chance to prove if it's for real, while Gustavus and Olaf get to hammer away on each other for two. Superior v Marian should be interesting and all of a sudden Augsburg deserves a serious look if say it takes at least three points from UST.

Fun abounds.

XYZ
11-07-2010, 01:37 AM
Further fodder: The bottom three teams in the NCHA Coaches' Poll (Eau Claire, Superior, Stout) are a combined 8-5, and two of those losses came by way of Stout dropping two at St. Norbert where no one ever wins. Hence, that 8-5 might even be a little deceptive on the low side as the Blue Devils have by far the toughest weekend of their league schedule already out of the way.

collegehcky2
11-07-2010, 10:04 AM
This poll could be absolutely insane given the amount of upsets and losses everyone has already.

Here's my stab at it..Keep in mind these are my predictions and not how I would have voted. Personally I feel Stevens Point should be the #1 team out west right now given what they have done in their last four games but it won't happen that way I'm sure.

1.Norwich
2.Oswego
3.St. Norbert
4.Middlebury
5.Manhattanville
6.Bowdoin
7.Stevens Point
8.Hamline
9.Gustavus Adolphus
10.Plattsburgh
11.Elmira
12.Williams
13.Amherst
14.Marian
15.Adrian

If Geneseo beat Morrisville they'd be #7 in this poll. Since they lost, they are a borderline team now. I left them out but they could very well be in. River Falls and St, Scholastica will probably both still be in. At least one will be.

After the top two this is an absolute gong show.

Manhattanville lost to Elmira and they move up a spot? If anything, I think they'll move down to 8th while Elmira does indeed move up to 11th.

PrezdeJohnson09
11-07-2010, 10:53 AM
Manhattanville lost to Elmira and they move up a spot? If anything, I think they'll move down to 8th while Elmira does indeed move up to 11th.

I didn't know where to put Manhattanvile. I can't fathom
Bowdoin being a top five team after the smackdown Oswego laid on them last year. Point and hamline both have losses too. But Ure rite I could see manhattanville around. From everything I have heard,
Elmira was lucky to escape with the win and manhattanville carried the play. I guess thats most of my reasoning.

Sorry for the long winded paragraph. I'm about five minutes away from my ben and jerrys factory tour checking the board of course on my iPhone :)

NUProf
11-07-2010, 02:41 PM
Ure rite

In English?

PrezdeJohnson09
11-07-2010, 03:08 PM
In English?

I was on a phone ;) "You are right" Come on teach!

PrezdeJohnson09
11-08-2010, 12:54 PM
Contact: Lee Urton
Phone: 781-316-8869
E-mail: lee.urton@uscho.com

USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./November 8, 2010

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 Norwich (14) 0-0-0 293 1
2 Oswego ( 6) 6-0-0 286 2
3 St. Norbert 3-1-0 252 3
4 Middlebury 0-0-0 205 5
5 Manhattanville 3-1-0 168 6
6 Elmira 3-2-0 163 12
7 Bowdoin 0-0-0 152 7
8 Plattsburgh 2-2-0 144 4
9 Gustavus Adolphus 3-1-0 135 8
10 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 4-1-0 131 NR
11 Hamline 3-1-0 74 15
12 Adrian 1-1-0 61 10
13 Williams 0-0-0 50 13
14 Wisconsin-River Falls 2-2-1 45 9
15 Marian 4-1-0 43 NR

Others Receiving Votes: Geneseo 37, St. Scholastica 37,
Amherst 34, Wisconsin-Superior 24, Milwaukee School of
Engineering 18, Wisconsin-Eau Claire 11, Babson 10,
University of New England 7, Utica 6, Augsburg 4,
Neumann 3, New England College 3, Salem State 3,
Morrisville 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 20 voters, including 15 coaches of Division III programs and five men's hockey writers. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

PrezdeJohnson09
11-08-2010, 12:57 PM
I am completely shocked that they jumped Elmira so high.

Other than that, nothing too surprising. A little bit that Amherst dropped out of the poll without even playing but those are the breaks a I guess when Marian and Stevens Point jump in.

norm1909
11-08-2010, 01:25 PM
The poll is really pretty much what it has to be at this point in the season. Oswego has found a way to win, but nevertheless saw Buffalo hang with them for the opening 36 minutes, they scored only 2 and ENG against Fredonia, and Potsdam held them to 1 goal for 37 minutes. These are not what I would expect from the number 2 team, but no one else has done proven themselves any better. This season is certainly starting out as a year for the underdogs. It is nice to see Morrisville pick up a vote in only their second year of eligibility. And the MCHA isn't looking to shabby either. :cool:

Laker Ranger
11-08-2010, 01:37 PM
The poll is really pretty much what it has to be at this point in the season. Oswego has found a way to win, but nevertheless saw Buffalo hang with them for the opening 36 minutes, they scored only 2 and ENG against Fredonia, and Potsdam held them to 1 goal for 37 minutes. These are not what I would expect the number 2 team, but no one else has done proven themselves any better. This season is certainly starting out as a year for the underdogs. It is nice to see Morrisville pick up a vote in only their second year of eligibility. And the MCHA isn't looking to shabby either. :cool:

Oswego is not the same goal-happy squad as in the yesteryears - in my opinion, they had defeated Plattsburgh and all of the above teams through defense and attrition. I would agree that perhaps a little more scoreboard action would indicate better offensive cohesion, and hence a better team. However, Oswego's strength in 4 balanced lines is paying off, and should be noted as a strong factor for their success so far.

UWSP should make for an excellent opponent in the hockey classic at the CC for the New Year - well done by them.

93GreatLaker
11-08-2010, 01:48 PM
Oswego has found a way to win, but nevertheless saw Buffalo hang with them for the opening 36 minutes, they scored only 2 and ENG against Fredonia, and Potsdam held them to 1 goal for 37 minutes. These are not what I would expect the number 2 team,

Luckily games are 60 minutes long, and not 36 or 37. Last time I checked Oswego won those two games by 3 and 6 goals respectively. Oswego has trailed for a grand total of 2 minutes and 8 seconds. They have outscored their opponents by a 28-9 margin with 3 of those wins coming against teams others consider worthy of top 10 consideration. Oswego certainly has areas where they can improve but compared with everyone else who has played games to this point they are exactly where they belong. Now Plattsburgh on the the other hand.....:rolleyes:

Steve Day
11-08-2010, 01:54 PM
Contact: Lee Urton
Phone: 781-316-8869
E-mail: lee.urton@uscho.com

USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./November 8, 2010

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 Norwich (14) 0-0-0 293 1
2 Oswego ( 6) 6-0-0 286 2
3 St. Norbert 3-1-0 252 3
4 Middlebury 0-0-0 205 5
5 Manhattanville 3-1-0 168 6
6 Elmira 3-2-0 163 12
7 Bowdoin 0-0-0 152 7
8 Plattsburgh 2-2-0 144 4
9 Gustavus Adolphus 3-1-0 135 8
10 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 4-1-0 131 NR
11 Hamline 3-1-0 74 15
12 Adrian 1-1-0 61 10
13 Williams 0-0-0 50 13
14 Wisconsin-River Falls 2-2-1 45 9
15 Marian 4-1-0 43 NR

Others Receiving Votes: Geneseo 37, St. Scholastica 37,
Amherst 34, Wisconsin-Superior 24, Milwaukee School of
Engineering 18, Wisconsin-Eau Claire 11, Babson 10,
University of New England 7, Utica 6, Augsburg 4,
Neumann 3, New England College 3, Salem State 3,
Morrisville 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 20 voters, including 15 coaches of Division III programs and five men's hockey writers. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

I'm confused
Could some voters have voted for UNE thinking they were voting for NEC

PrezdeJohnson09
11-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Oswego is not the same goal-happy squad as in the yesteryears - in my opinion, they had defeated Plattsburgh and all of the above teams through defense and attrition. I would agree that perhaps a little more scoreboard action would indicate better offensive cohesion, and hence a better team. However, Oswego's strength in 4 balanced lines is paying off, and should be noted as a strong factor for their success so far.

UWSP should make for an excellent opponent in the hockey classic at the CC for the New Year - well done by them.

Don't pencil an Oswego/Stevens Point matchup just yet.

Hobart and Hamilton are no slouches and can easily play spoilers in that meeting. A few years ago Oswego had St. Norbert come out for their tournament and everyone expected the two to meet in the finals, Oswego lost the first day to like Augsburg or Babson or something like that.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that Coach Gosek got Stevens Point to come out here. They are a traditional powerhouse from the 90's and have been searching for an identity the last decade or so but they are still one of those teams that should always jump out at you on the schedule.

Under coach Nichol they've been showing signs of improvement and maybe this is finally the year they make their big splash back onto the national scene. We'll see what their record looks like in late December though because the NCHA is brutal and only St. Norbert has really shown the ability to consistently win night in and night out in that league for the last decade.

bakdraft21
11-08-2010, 02:14 PM
The poll is really pretty much what it has to be at this point in the season. Oswego has found a way to win, but nevertheless saw Buffalo hang with them for the opening 36 minutes, they scored only 2 and ENG against Fredonia, and Potsdam held them to 1 goal for 37 minutes. These are not what I would expect from the number 2 team, but no one else has done proven themselves any better. This season is certainly starting out as a year for the underdogs. It is nice to see Morrisville pick up a vote in only their second year of eligibility. And the MCHA isn't looking to shabby either. :cool:

as far as 36 minutes, 37 minutes etc etc ...thats y they play 60..........its a long season, and some teams havnt even played yet y have the polss anyway????

XYZ
11-08-2010, 02:17 PM
A few years ago Oswego had St. Norbert come out for their tournament and everyone expected the two to meet in the finals, Oswego lost the first day to like Augsburg or Babson or something like that.

Amherst...I think.

norm1909
11-08-2010, 02:18 PM
Oswego is not the same goal-happy squad as in the yesteryears - in my opinion, they had defeated Plattsburgh and all of the above teams through defense and attrition. I would agree that perhaps a little more scoreboard action would indicate better offensive cohesion, and hence a better team. However, Oswego's strength in 4 balanced lines is paying off, and should be noted as a strong factor for their success so far...

Both Oswego and Plattsburgh’s teams of yesteryears have seen their success from the ability to have four strong lines, and hence still have wind in their sails after the half way mark, that said, both teams generally have easily handled lesser competition, something they both have struggled with this year.


Luckily games are 60 minutes long, and not 36 or 37. Last time I checked Oswego won those two games by 3 and 6 goals respectively. Oswego has trailed for a grand total of 2 minutes and 8 seconds. They have outscored their opponents by a 28-9 margin with 3 of those wins coming against teams others consider worthy of top 10 consideration. Oswego certainly has areas where they can improve but compared with everyone else who has played games to this point they are exactly where they belong. Now Plattsburgh on the the other hand.....:rolleyes:

True, both Oswego and Plattsburgh have seen them dispensing of the lesser competition by significant scores, but these wins appear to have come more by attrition – the strength of having four strong lines who can wear out a team, but not by having otherwise significant superior skills.

I agree they (Oswego and Plattsburgh) are ranked where they should be at this point, but I believe it is more a case of everyone doing even more poorly than they are, than their showing off significant skills. Yes, much can and should be said about having 4 strong lines, but being able to have a couple lines who can dominate over the competition early would be nice (versus merely being able to outlast).

NUProf
11-08-2010, 02:38 PM
I'm confused
Could some voters have voted for UNE thinking they were voting for NEC

I was thinking the same thing.

Laker28
11-08-2010, 03:29 PM
Oswego looked crappy against Buffalo State for most of the game but they thoroughly out chanced Fredonia the entire game as well as Potsdam for a lot of it. Elmira was fairly close both games but they are certainly not a cupcake. They have generated a lot of chances but have had a little trouble scoring goals thanks to some rushed shots and some pretty solid goaltending.

As for the defense they did pretty much the same thing last year but the forwards were scoring six or seven times a game so it went largely unnoticed.

Sure they aren't running people over yet, but I think if they keep winning, then the big scores might start happening. Right now they are finding ways to win games and when the game is up for grabs they are the ones that are getting that all important next goal. They haven't allowed anyone to take momentum and run with it which to me is a sign of a good team.

Plattsburgh looks solid but they just aren't getting the big plays at the right time yet, if they start getting that then look out.

doncheery
11-08-2010, 03:40 PM
A few years ago Oswego had St. Norbert come out for their tournament and everyone expected the two to meet in the finals, Oswego lost the first day to like Augsburg or Babson or something like that.


Amherst. Who lost to St Norbert in finals 3-1. ( St Norbert winning Nationals that year )