New England Prep Hockey

[notfromaroundhere]

Sounds like a great game with Soutfield and Thayer. Wish that could be true at Proctor.

Proctor 8 Pingree 0

Litterally, after 1.5 periods the orders go out... no more shooting. That means for the game. I applaud the coach for the sportsmanship. :) That being said, here goes...

First, why do teams that have drastically been going in different directions for the past 3 years that I know of, continue to play each other? The answer is because when team A was struggling, team B would still play them. It's honable, but after 3 years it is wrong.

Hate to say this, but I Boo the school (sorry PA I love you for who you are, and what you have done for my family). Poor, sportsmanship in the scheduling. Why would you ever want to put these young ladies in such a horrible position. When is enough enough, and for how long do you have to enable a weaker program.:mad: :mad: :mad: :confused: :confused:

Second, Nobody gets anthing out of a game like this... players, coaches, schools, parents, fans. Nobody. It is demoralizing to all of the mentioned.

Third, It certainly also effects the ingrity of playing the game... to strive on being the best you can be.. work as hard as you can.

'Nuf said here. It is wrong, just plain wrong. As a PA parent, I apologize for the rant... but not for the integrity for which I believe. I'll take a 6-2 loss any day over a 8-0 win.

Thanks for the update MSW.

I share your concern about scheduling overmatched games, although I'll add that it takes 2 teams to put together such a mess. Pardon my lack of local knowledge (I am notfromaroundhere in every sense of the word), but is there a lack of suitable opponents for Pingree, or is it that their AD (I'm told this is who usually does scheduling at schools) just isn't aware of who is competitive in the area?

It takes a whole school administration (admissions - getting the right people the right FA package, athletic director - putting together a good schedule, coach - getting the players prepared and conditioned) to make or in this case mess up a team.

Sounds like the Proctor team needs some new sticks. Not many goals left in the ones used this weekend. :cool:

[blade]

Brewster Academy 2-1 over Tabor Academy. Awesome game. Tabor lead 1-0 through most of game. Brewster score late in third twice to win 2-1. Really intense game. Big line came up big. Major team effort also.

[Black Bear]

Brewster Academy 2-1 over Tabor Academy. Awesome game. Tabor lead 1-0 through most of game. Brewster score late in third twice to win 2-1. Really intense game. Big line came up big. Major team effort also.

Appears to be kind of an afterthought as to the "major team effort". Maybe it's just me but I'd have put that first. One of the great things about hockey is that there's no place to hide within the boards. No "right field" to stick someone into. IMO, it is the ultimate team game. As John Wooden once said, "the greatest ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team".

[malkinator]

Appears to be kind of an afterthought as to the "major team effort". Maybe it's just me but I'd have put that first. One of the great things about hockey is that there's no place to hide within the boards. No "right field" to stick someone into. IMO, it is the ultimate team game. As John Wooden once said, "the greatest ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team".

Hockey is obviously a team game, but sometimes you've gotta give the big line credit when they come up big. (assuming they scored both goals in the third)

[bostonfan]

Choate beat Taft 5-0.

[thanksforhockey]

Exeter 1 Deerfield 1

Exeter was lucky to get out of this one with a tie. Deerfield took advantage of the ref's broken whistle and put Exeter on their butts the entire game. Probably could have been a penalty called on every shift. (actually number of penalties D-7, E-4) Deerfield went up 1-0 mid way through the first. The Deerfield goalie played well and was able to hold off the Exeter attack until an early 3rd period power play goal. OT was pretty even with both teams getting some nice chances but both goalies held strong.

[kylehockey]

Thanks for the update MSW.

I share your concern about scheduling overmatched games, although I'll add that it takes 2 teams to put together such a mess. Pardon my lack of local knowledge (I am notfromaroundhere in every sense of the word), but is there a lack of suitable opponents for Pingree, or is it that their AD (I'm told this is who usually does scheduling at schools) just isn't aware of who is competitive in the area?

It takes a whole school administration (admissions - getting the right people the right FA package, athletic director - putting together a good schedule, coach - getting the players prepared and conditioned) to make or in this case mess up a team.

Sounds like the Proctor team needs some new sticks. Not many goals left in the ones used this weekend. :cool:

I understand all of the points that you have made but I would say a couple of things in response. When a team like Pingree calls a team like Proctor to play, it is a tough call. If you say no, you are not giving the "little guy a chance", if you say yes you are trying to beat up the little guy. Tough call. Bottom line, at this point in girls hockey, there are going to be mismatches.
People would probably complain if Pingree didn't schedule tough teams in their non-league schedule, won their league and then threatened to make the DII tourney(ie Berwick Academy last year) by playing only creampuffs. In my opinion, both teams can learn from blowout. Winning teams learn humility, good life skill, losing team learns how to play better from winning team. You can't fault Pingree for scheduling tough games and you can't fault Proctor for saying yes.

[notfromaroundhere]

I understand all of the points that you have made but I would say a couple of things in response. When a team like Pingree calls a team like Proctor to play, it is a tough call. If you say no, you are not giving the "little guy a chance", if you say yes you are trying to beat up the little guy. Tough call. Bottom line, at this point in girls hockey, there are going to be mismatches.
People would probably complain if Pingree didn't schedule tough teams in their non-league schedule, won their league and then threatened to make the DII tourney(ie Berwick Academy last year) by playing only creampuffs. In my opinion, both teams can learn from blowout. Winning teams learn humility, good life skill, losing team learns how to play better from winning team. You can't fault Pingree for scheduling tough games and you can't fault Proctor for saying yes.

I hear you about giving the little guy a chance. Look at Winchedon's schedule. They got a lot of quality opponents as a startup. Talk about giving a little guy a chance. And Winchedon has done an excellent job of starting from scratch. No doubt that next fall when Winchedon comes calling, there won't be a question.

I think MSW's point is that Pingree's program has been going backwards for a few years from a weak position. I think that if I were Proctor's AD, I'd ask to see the credentials of the incoming skaters before rescheduling them. And Pingree might consider a more careful evaluation of its improvement (or rebuild state) as a part of choosing who to call.

There are teams that are rebuilding with freshmen who need quality experience and there are teams that have plenty of older players who just aren't at the same level as some other schools. ADs need to separate the 2 before deciding to schedule these unbalanced games.

[kylehockey]

I hear you about giving the little guy a chance. Look at Winchedon's schedule. They got a lot of quality opponents as a startup. Talk about giving a little guy a chance. And Winchedon has done an excellent job of starting from scratch. No doubt that next fall when Winchedon comes calling, there won't be a question.

I think MSW's point is that Pingree's program has been going backwards for a few years from a weak position. I think that if I were Proctor's AD, I'd ask to see the credentials of the incoming skaters before rescheduling them. And Pingree might consider a more careful evaluation of its improvement (or rebuild state) as a part of choosing who to call.

There are teams that are rebuilding with freshmen who need quality experience and there are teams that have plenty of older players who just aren't at the same level as some other schools. ADs need to separate the 2 before deciding to schedule these unbalanced games.

You can't possibly think any AD would ask to see the credentials of an incoming class of another school? can you? Girls hockey is new, especially for the old school AD's. The bottom line is this. School's can and are changing quickly, good or bad. You do the best you can to schedule teams you can beat, teams that you can win or lose against and teams you will probably lose against. Bottom line is this, they invented the word upset for a reason and they don't play the games on paper. You take your league schedule and do the best you can after that.

[notfromaroundhere]

You can't possibly think any AD would ask to see the credentials of an incoming class of another school? can you? Girls hockey is new, especially for the old school AD's. The bottom line is this. School's can and are changing quickly, good or bad. You do the best you can to schedule teams you can beat, teams that you can win or lose against and teams you will probably lose against. Bottom line is this, they invented the word upset for a reason and they don't play the games on paper. You take your league schedule and do the best you can after that.
Probably not the best choice of words, but I cannot understand why a school would keep scheduling games from a team that is going to be a mismatch without asking if there is a significant change (i.e. better recruits) in the roster.

Trust me, my D has been on the short end of the stick plenty of times, but never in a game that could have gone double-digits without a dial back. From the sounds of the Pingree game, it could have been a serious 2-touchdown effort, if they didn't call off the shooting. At that level, you have to ask questions.

And BTW, I don't have a player on either team.

I do understand your issue, really, but there should be limits on these things.

[IceIsNice]

Hockey is obviously a team game, but sometimes you've gotta give the big line credit when they come up big. (assuming they scored both goals in the third)

In my humble opinion, the better team clearly won. Congrats to BA; a very skilled, fast, solid hockey team. They have certainly arrived as a legitimate contender in D-1.

REF BASHING ALERT! To those of you who are turned off by such posts, please just kindly skip on by! :D

However, before we go immortalizing any of their players, let's recognize that the "team effort" went beyond those wearing a number on their back! Breaks are part of hockey, part of baseball, part of football, part of life, but in all honesty the underdog might have stole this one if not for some solid "team effort" from the the guy in the stripes.

I do have one very serious gripe with one official....captains approached this one guy in particular in the course of the game, and yeah, I'll single him out, the guy with the goatee.... and he either laughed them off, ignored them, or rudely sniped back at them as they would inquire about questionable calls. Mr Goatee, if you don't have the patience to respect the female game, including respect for the Captains, STOP REFFING WOMEN'S HOCKEY! My good friend Mr. Benedetto who is a referee in Hockey East sets a great example by very patiently and very reasonbly hearing out a player before asserting his position. This joker laughed them off...and unfortunately, and most likely, BECAUSE THEY WERE GIRLS!

There, I feel better... that, and the fact that I just had another whoopie pie! Yum!!

Seriously though, while the respect factor by this official left a very sour taste in my mouth, I seriously want to congratulate Brewster. Very, very good team, one who will clearly contend with Nobles, Loomis, Lawrence, etc.

Best of luck, girls! Just please tell that jerk to find a different way to raise money for his child support payments!

:rolleyes:

PS... I was informed that there hasn't been much controversy on this board lately, so I decided what the heck...let her rip! :D

[prepdad]

Saturday action: Loomis 4 -- Hotchkiss 0

Brooke Fernandez opened the scoring 10 seconds into the game, coming down the middle right off the opening faceoff. Abby Ostrom made it 2-0 late in the second period, and Emily Fluke and Abby Ostrom added insurance goals in the third. Claire Francis made some nice saves, especially during several Hotchkiss power plays, to preserve her third shutout of the season.

[turntwo18]

People would probably complain if Pingree didn't schedule tough teams in their non-league schedule, won their league and then threatened to make the DII tourney(ie Berwick Academy last year) by playing only creampuffs.

This isn't relevant to the thread, but can you clarify this point? I just graduated from Berwick Academy and wasn't aware we threatened to make the DII tournament last year. We have a small school with an athletic department that rarely (if ever) invests in recruiting for girls hockey, hence the tendency to play "only creampuffs". I'd agree with msw because when we do schedule "tough teams" it doesn't often result in a good matchup for either side.

[capt9]

hi everyone, i was at the game, i have a freshman on the proctor team, i listened to the coaches talk prior to the game and i understand that pingree was missing a few of their experienced players and they have had to cancell a few other games i understand that the pingree players asked their coach to not cancell another game and they came to play with their best effort.

i give them all credit for their efforts , again i am new to all this and i dont know the history and or the building process of programs, but i feel that things like this should be handled between the coaches. all the coaches that i have seen so far in the prep hockey are smart and love the sport that they coach, i am pretty sure they have all played the sport and in their heart know whats best for both teams and the players. there will be big upsets sometimes and big wins but games like this should be looked at with open eyes from both benches. i have played and coached for many many years and i am pretty sure that this is the first game i have been at either as a player coach or fan that in the 3rd period there was not one shot by either team shots 0-0 with the overall shots for proctor 18 in first and 9 in second for 27 compared to pingree's total of 3 . i will quote one of the players on proctor " i received a pass in their zone and i did not know what to do with the puck", she knew what to do but she did not want to fire it in the net, yes a class act by all the proctor players and coaches. is this kind of hockey fair to the players, teams, coaches, parents and fans? i know that it is up to the coaches to look at games like this and make the correct choices for the future years. good luck to all the players and teams in the second half of the season, remember the harder you work the luckier you get, have fun

[goaliedad35]

In my humble opinion, the better team clearly won. Congrats to BA; a very skilled, fast, solid hockey team. They have certainly arrived as a legitimate contender in D-1.
I was perusing the Brewster site and made note that not one of the players new to their program this year is a freshman.........this seems odd to me from a recruiting perspective they will have no one in the 2012 class unless they recruit more non-freshman next year. Where did these upperclassmen come from?

[malkinator]

In my humble opinion, the better team clearly won. Congrats to BA; a very skilled, fast, solid hockey team. They have certainly arrived as a legitimate contender in D-1.
I was perusing the Brewster site and made note that not one of the players new to their program this year is a freshman.........this seems odd to me from a recruiting perspective they will have no one in the 2012 class unless they recruit more non-freshman next year. Where did these upperclassmen come from?



I bet this would be the same if you were to look at other D1 team's rosters. It is not uncommon to see kids coming in their junior year.. or coming in and repeating a year. In my opinion if a team cannot find incoming freshman that will contribute then it is not beneficial for the team. Bring them in the next year so they will contribute and play

[UCONN FAN]

In my humble opinion, the better team clearly won. Congrats to BA; a very skilled, fast, solid hockey team. They have certainly arrived as a legitimate contender in D-1.

REF BASHING ALERT! To those of you who are turned off by such posts, please just kindly skip on by! :D

However, before we go immortalizing any of their players, let's recognize that the "team effort" went beyond those wearing a number on their back! Breaks are part of hockey, part of baseball, part of football, part of life, but in all honesty the underdog might have stole this one if not for some solid "team effort" from the the guy in the stripes.

I do have one very serious gripe with one official....captains approached this one guy in particular in the course of the game, and yeah, I'll single him out, the guy with the goatee.... and he either laughed them off, ignored them, or rudely sniped back at them as they would inquire about questionable calls. Mr Goatee, if you don't have the patience to respect the female game, including respect for the Captains, STOP REFFING WOMEN'S HOCKEY! My good friend Mr. Benedetto who is a referee in Hockey East sets a great example by very patiently and very reasonbly hearing out a player before asserting his position. This joker laughed them off...and unfortunately, and most likely, BECAUSE THEY WERE GIRLS!

There, I feel better... that, and the fact that I just had another whoopie pie! Yum!!

Seriously though, while the respect factor by this official left a very sour taste in my mouth, I seriously want to congratulate Brewster. Very, very good team, one who will clearly contend with Nobles, Loomis, Lawrence, etc.

Best of luck, girls! Just please tell that jerk to find a different way to raise money for his child support payments!

:rolleyes:

PS... I was informed that there hasn't been much controversy on this board lately, so I decided what the heck...let her rip! :D

I think someone needs a hug.

[msw630]

Way to go ICE... give 'em the ole H-E- double hockey sticks!

Oh, and I do agree.

[HockeyTeacher]

In my humble opinion, the better team clearly won. Congrats to BA; a very skilled, fast, solid hockey team. They have certainly arrived as a legitimate contender in D-1.

REF BASHING ALERT! To those of you who are turned off by such posts, please just kindly skip on by! :D

However, before we go immortalizing any of their players, let's recognize that the "team effort" went beyond those wearing a number on their back! Breaks are part of hockey, part of baseball, part of football, part of life, but in all honesty the underdog might have stole this one if not for some solid "team effort" from the the guy in the stripes.

I do have one very serious gripe with one official....captains approached this one guy in particular in the course of the game, and yeah, I'll single him out, the guy with the goatee.... and he either laughed them off, ignored them, or rudely sniped back at them as they would inquire about questionable calls. Mr Goatee, if you don't have the patience to respect the female game, including respect for the Captains, STOP REFFING WOMEN'S HOCKEY! My good friend Mr. Benedetto who is a referee in Hockey East sets a great example by very patiently and very reasonbly hearing out a player before asserting his position. This joker laughed them off...and unfortunately, and most likely, BECAUSE THEY WERE GIRLS!

There, I feel better... that, and the fact that I just had another whoopie pie! Yum!!

Seriously though, while the respect factor by this official left a very sour taste in my mouth, I seriously want to congratulate Brewster. Very, very good team, one who will clearly contend with Nobles, Loomis, Lawrence, etc.

Best of luck, girls! Just please tell that jerk to find a different way to raise money for his child support payments!

:rolleyes:

PS... I was informed that there hasn't been much controversy on this board lately, so I decided what the heck...let her rip! :D

Pleeease.....................Do you really think that he laughed them off because "THEY WERE GIRLS"? Somewhat of a strong statement at best, don't you think? The humor or laughing was probably the function of the Girls inquiring about "questionable calls". It sounds like there were more than a few calls that didn't go your way.

And by the way, whoopie pies won't help.........a diet maybe???

[shootthepuck]

Hey HockeyTeacher,

Donuts to dollars you are a male! Perhaps an insensitive one?

Hopefully it was just a hastily poor worded response. Let's keep focused on the hockey.......