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[SHUCrosscheck]

Amazing that winning back to back titles isn't on the page. Guess you were so upset over the Elmira loss(es) that you couldn't even man up and show your "unbiased" reporting and write an article about Plattsburgh. Guess those Purple tinted glasses you have made it hard to see a keyboard and monitor to write something. Maybe I am attacking you and it is the "brains" of USCHO that have yet again ignored an amazing accomplishment of an amazing group. If that is the case then I apologize ahead of time. If that is not the case, give up your position of D-3 correspondent and go write for either the Elmira website or the Oswego website.

[gojackets]

Amazing that winning back to back titles isn't on the page. Guess you were so upset over the Elmira loss(es) that you couldn't even man up and show your "unbiased" reporting and write an article about Plattsburgh. Guess those Purple tinted glasses you have made it hard to see a keyboard and monitor to write something. Maybe I am attacking you and it is the "brains" of USCHO that have yet again ignored an amazing accomplishment of an amazing group. If that is the case then I apologize ahead of time. If that is not the case, give up your position of D-3 correspondent and go write for either the Elmira website or the Oswego website.

If you've been paying attention at all this season you would know that whoever is in charge of updating the womens page has been god awful this season and in no way is this Dereks fault. Get a clue, and a life..you are dumb.

[Derek Dunning]

Amazing that winning back to back titles isn't on the page. Guess you were so upset over the Elmira loss(es) that you couldn't even man up and show your "unbiased" reporting and write an article about Plattsburgh. Guess those Purple tinted glasses you have made it hard to see a keyboard and monitor to write something. Maybe I am attacking you and it is the "brains" of USCHO that have yet again ignored an amazing accomplishment of an amazing group. If that is the case then I apologize ahead of time. If that is not the case, give up your position of D-3 correspondent and go write for either the Elmira website or the Oswego website.

I was at both semifinal games and submitted recaps for them on Friday night. We had a problem occur when i submitted them through Microsoft works (my computer crashed so it was the only program i had) and the files wouldnt transfer over to Microsoft word and no one at USCHO could open them.


Once i found out about the problem i resubmitted the articles and Brian posted them.

People do need to relax and take it easy on Brian, myself and the rest of the women's staff. We've had a lot of issues on both ends of the spectrum this year that have been unfortunate but we've done our best to overcome them.

SHU,

I would hope that you would have a had little bit more confidence in my abilties to be a responsible journalist. I wear no hat when I'm in the press box and report fairly and accurately to all parties.

Plattsburgh was the best team in women's DIII hockey this year and they rightfully won the title.

Look for a year in review recap this coming week!

Congrats to Plattsburgh once again on winning back to back title and great seasons to Manhattanville, Elmira, and UWSuperior. Four outstanding teams providing four outstanding games of hockey.

[SHUCrosscheck]

If you've been paying attention at all this season you would know that whoever is in charge of updating the womens page has been god awful this season and in no way is this Dereks fault. Get a clue, and a life..you are dumb.

I was more trying to light a fire under the responsible persons chair. You know the saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Well squeak squeak squeak.

And the comment about me being dumb... uncalled for.

By the way... how did the west do this weekend??

Right 0-2. OK thanks for playing, please enjoy these lovely parting gifts.

[SHUCrosscheck]

Prez

I am having a problem finding even the post game articles from the semi's. I believe you wrote them, just believe USCHO hasn't got on board with D3 Women's hockey yet. Maybe they are the ones who "unbiased" reporting I should be questioning.

[dave1381]

Prez

I am having a problem finding even the post game articles from the semi's.

http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/?type=w
but i agree they should be linked from the women's front so people can actually find them.

I believe you wrote them, just believe USCHO hasn't got on board with D3 Women's hockey yet.

How can you say that? How long have you been reading the site? While there have certainly been problems this year as Derek alluded to, how can you complain about the coverage the previous few seasons? Look, USCHO is the only place in the country that has a D-3 women's poll and pays someone to write a weekly column about D-3 women's hockey as it has the last two years. It's not that they're "not on board" -- they're the only place on board!!

[spwood]

http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/?type=w
but i agree they should be linked from the women's front so people can actually find them.



How can you say that? How long have you been reading the site? While there have certainly been problems this year as Derek alluded to, how can you complain about the coverage the previous few seasons? Look, USCHO is the only place in the country that has a D-3 women's poll and pays someone to write a weekly column about D-3 women's hockey as it has the last two years. It's not that they're "not on board" -- they're the only place on board!!

I would say barely on board, though. Yes, they have someone writing articles. But how many times this year did the articles get posted after the games were played? When I left for the Final Four on Friday, there were no articles up for the teams participating. It's now Monday and the Women's Div III Champion was crowned on Saturday. Nothing on the front page of the women's site as of 9:30 Monday morning. How many correspondents were in Lake Placid this weekend? They couldn't spare one of them away from the men's semis to cover the women's National Championship final? I think it's fair to question USCHO on it.

[score1]

In spite of all the bad vibes being sent, this tournament was a success in many ways. The DIII women's program will only grow if those that are doing the foot work continue. There will always be room to improve. If you were at the Final Four, you could have seen the players faces that showed how great D III hockey has become. Rather than get on the reporter(s), perhaps a few comments to USCHO would be more appropriate to obtain a more timely preview and some main page coverage.

Overall, thanks to posters as it keeps this interesting.

[dave1381]

I would say barely on board, though.
Again, I reiterate, you're in "what have you done for me lately mode" here, and you're being totally disrespectful to those who have put in effort to provide coverage of D-3 women's hockey in the past for the site if you claim that, however frustrating the problems with this year's coverage may be. I think USCHO had two writers at the D-3 FF, George Griggs all season in 2006, and Matt Rennell all season in 2007, and all this coverage was posted promptly.

You have to understand that most of the people who cover this sport have to enjoy doing it, because no one is making a living off of it. It seems like standard operating procedure is, if someone provdes D3 women's hockey coverage on this site, the attitude is "well this is what we D3 fans were entitled to anyway." Then if the coverage slips, the attitude is "USCHO never does anything for D3 women's hockey!!" This attitude surely makes those who work for the site wonder why they ever put forth any effort in the first place, and maybe they don't come back.

So complain all you want about details regarding the current coverage, but don't make absurd statements that USCHO has never shown any effort towards (or "on board with", whatever) covering D3 women's hockey.

[spwood]

Again, I reiterate, you're in "what have you done for me lately mode" here, and you're being totally disrespectful to those who have put in effort to provide coverage of D-3 women's hockey in the past for the site if you claim that, however frustrating the problems with this year's coverage may be. I think USCHO had two writers at the D-3 FF, George Griggs all season in 2006, and Matt Rennell all season in 2007, and all this coverage was posted promptly.

You have to understand that most of the people who cover this sport have to enjoy doing it, because no one is making a living off of it. It seems like standard operating procedure is, if someone provdes D3 women's hockey coverage on this site, the attitude is "well this is what we D3 fans were entitled to anyway." Then if the coverage slips, the attitude is "USCHO never does anything for D3 women's hockey!!" This attitude surely makes those who work for the site wonder why they ever put forth any effort in the first place, and maybe they don't come back.

So complain all you want about details regarding the current coverage, but don't make absurd statements that USCHO has never shown any effort towards (or "on board with", whatever) covering D3 women's hockey.

Your post telling me what I said is longer than my original comment (meaning you have tried putting some words in my mouth). If you reread what I wrote, I do mention "this year" as opposed to year's past. Actually, the people writing the articles have made this an issue. We saw several times this year where Derek said an article was submitted and to watch for it, only to have it posted on Monday or Tuesday of the next week, making the article previewing the upcoming weekend outdated.

Show me where I stated that "USCHO has never shown any effort towards (or "on board with", whatever) covering D3 women's hockey". My post clearly talks about this year and this year only.

[dave1381]

The original poster said "I believe you wrote them, just believe USCHO hasn't got on board with D3 Women's hockey yet." and then I responded "they're the only place on board" and you responded "I'd say they're barely on board."

The original poster was clearly going beyond this season, and you were continuing that discussion, even if that was not your intent. Anyway, I'm done with this argument.

[Brian Schulz]

Game of the Week also videocast 7 D3 games this year, a fair step up from the past including an NCAA QF where there was no other coverage of any kind.

Also FYI as I can never tell for sure but some of the e-mails that come in seem to mix this up: Brian Sullivan is the women's editor not me. I just handle the broadcast side of things though I have been and continue to solicit reinforcements for the women's staff overall in hopes of putting a plan together in the offseason to address some of concerns voiced throughout the year.

[spike]

Game of the Week also videocast 7 D3 games this year, a fair step up from the past including an NCAA QF where there was no other coverage of any kind.

Also FYI as I can never tell for sure but some of the e-mails that come in seem to mix this up: Brian Sullivan is the women's editor not me. I just handle the broadcast side of things though I have been and continue to solicit reinforcements for the women's staff overall in hopes of putting a plan together in the offseason to address some of concerns voiced throughout the year.

Memo to Derek, Brian and Brian

From a DIII parent

Gentlemen,

As a parent I'd love more articles and more video coverage, but I thank you for what we have. Anyone who criticizes your efforts does not speak for the majority of us.

[SHUCrosscheck]

OK maybe I jumped the gun. But how about this.. Then entire second semester the only D3 news was the Platty loss to Manhattanville and Potsdam joining the ECAC West next season. When EC won the ECAC there was an article. I agree with spwood that unless you knew somebody or where to look, by going to the USCHO women's page you wouldn't know who was in the Finals. But I guess all of you are right. USCHO is the like Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. A world of imagination where everything is all anyone fan could want. Just watch out for the chocolate river, and the gum that tastes like a meal, and the thing that shrunk the TV kid. So does that mean P&G is an oompa loompa??

[dave1381]

OK maybe I jumped the gun. But how about this.. Then entire second semester the only D3 news was the Platty loss to Manhattanville and Potsdam joining the ECAC West next season.
Actually there wasn't any DI news posted all year either, aside from the Kazmaier 10 and the Kazmaier Award. So that was a general decline in women's hockey coverage there, not D3 specific.

[SHUCrosscheck]

Actually there wasn't any DI news posted all year either, aside from the Kazmaier 10 and the Kazmaier Award. So that was a general decline in women's hockey coverage there, not D3 specific.

Just out of curiosity Dave... why do you think that is?

[Brian Schulz]

Just out of curiosity Dave... why do you think that is?

SHU, really it was more the result of Dave himself finally having to step back from running day-to-day ops. He was the engine all these years and gave the women's page a lot more attention and effort than was generally realized, both from a content and an editorial standpoint.

I think the primary flaw is lack of manpower. There are 2 basic functions involved: 1) written content and 2) editing. Given the growth in board members, it would be nice to be able to enlist some reinforcements for Derek on content. However, additional content would still need someone to edit stories, keep up on headlines, manage the site, etc. Dave basically did D1 content and all editing on his own for years with one other person like a Matt Rennell or a Derek Dunning providing D3 content. I don't see how that model is sustainable or leaves room for material growth.

Complaining about the status quo is actually a valuable component of the process but it's not a solution. People treat USCHO like it's a large organization. It's not and for the women's game it's typically 1-3 people max. If people realize that and are willing to step up, then complaints might beget change.

[spwood]

The original poster was clearly going beyond this season, and you were continuing that discussion, even if that was not your intent. Anyway, I'm done with this argument.

Dave,

This doesn't have to be a hostile discussion - let me try to explain (which isn't always easy to do in type vs. direct conversation). By having someone tell us that they were submitting articles (sometimes on a Tuesday or Wednesay) and then not having them posted until the following Monday and Tuesday does lead to a frustrating appearance that USCHO isn't concerned with women's hockey. If that's the case, why have someone submit articles at all? I mean, how much (and this is a serious question) is involved with posting it to the internet once it is submitted to the editors?

If we are asking too much, a short editorial comment from someone at USCHO would let us know what the issues are. The silence (except from the author left to dodge bullets from information-starved fans) is deafening.

[SHUCrosscheck]

SHU, really it was more the result of Dave himself finally having to step back from running day-to-day ops. He was the engine all these years and gave the women's page a lot more attention and effort than was generally realized, both from a content and an editorial standpoint.

I think the primary flaw is lack of manpower. There are 2 basic functions involved: 1) written content and 2) editing. Given the growth in board members, it would be nice to be able to enlist some reinforcements for Derek on content. However, additional content would still need someone to edit stories, keep up on headlines, manage the site, etc. Dave basically did D1 content and all editing on his own for years with one other person like a Matt Rennell or a Derek Dunning providing D3 content. I don't see how that model is sustainable or leaves room for material growth.

Complaining about the status quo is actually a valuable component of the process but it's not a solution. People treat USCHO like it's a large organization. It's not and for the women's game it's typically 1-3 people max. If people realize that and are willing to step up, then complaints might beget change.

So what are the steps for getting USCHO to up its manpower in the women's world?? I am sure you would be able to get a few loyal readers and posters to submit e-mails or whatever if it is a letter writing campaign that is needed.

[Brian Schulz]

I asked for volunteers a few weeks ago when this discussion came up on a DI thread. I'm not "official USCHO" and intend to keep it that way since I have my niche and it's probably the most time-consuming already but I'm willing to at least try to structure a general plan to take to USCHO in hopes they'll be more amenable to something that has already been thought out. Thus far I've received but 2 responses across both DI and DIII.

uschobroadcast@yahoo.com

My general idea probably needs 10-12 volunteers:

2-3 editors not just one. Right now, the current editor also writes for the men's side of the page, USCHO probably should not have doubled up his responsibilities although my guess is there were precious few volunteers when they posted the ad on the board at the start of the year.

Keep Dan and Derek as the "national correspondents."

Establish 4-5 regional correspondents for DI and another 4-5 for DIII who contribute regularly but not weekly so as to accommodate their schedules. But things like recapping a key game in their area, doing an occasional feature (that doesn't wind up on USCHO Extra), covering a postseason tournament, etc.

Welcome to other suggestions but that seems like a relatively simple structure to keep news flow active during the year without being overly reliant on one person.