ECAC East DIII Coaches Poll

[futurestar]

Here is the pre-season ECAC East Coaches poll.

http://www.ecacsports.com/dIII_hockey/womens_east/2007-08/news/coaches_poll

1) St. Anselm(11) 143
2) Manhattanville 130
3) Holy Cross(1) 117
4) UMass Boston 106
5) New England Col. 103
6) Southern Maine 80
7) Salve Regina 66
8) St. Michaels 52
9) Norwich 50
10) Castleton 41
11) MIT 30
12) Plymouth State 18

[RStarr]

Here is the pre-season ECAC East Coaches poll.

http://www.ecacsports.com/dIII_hockey/womens_east/2007-08/news/coaches_poll

1) St. Anselm(11) 143
2) Manhattanville 130
3) Holy Cross(1) 117
4) UMass Boston 106
5) New England Col. 103
6) Southern Maine 80
7) Salve Regina 66
8) St. Michaels 52
9) Norwich 50
10) Castleton 41
11) MIT 30
12) Plymouth State 18
This just makes me that much more mad that St. A's is ineligible....GRRRRRR. Guess I better head to the Grinding Gears thread...

:mad: :mad:

[aerogroup2]

This just makes me that much more mad that St. A's is ineligible....GRRRRRR. Guess I better head to the Grinding Gears thread...

:mad: :mad:

Hey! St A is a Div 2 school and can offer athletic scholarships that Div 3 schools cannot. If they want to compete in NCAA championships, they should move up to Div 1!:o

[RStarr]

Hey! St A is a Div 2 school and can offer athletic scholarships that Div 3 schools cannot. If they want to compete in NCAA championships, they should move up to Div 1!:o
totally agreed!!!

[hawkhockey]

Let's get this straight once and for all and move on.
Saint Anselm is a school of 2000 students that award scholarships in ONE sport,basketball,and as a result ( because of some arcane NCAA rule0 is ineligible for post season play.Saint Anselm wil not now or in the near future offer women's iice hockey scholarships.
What is the problem,25 women from a good academic institution playong hockey without scholarships.
are other teams afraid ?the ECAC East is better from an academic and athletic point with them in the league.
Let the girls play on let's moveo

[Da Big Bad Cow]

the kids there know the plight when they decide to attend and play at St. A's. if they aren't happy with it then they should be going to school and playing hockey elsewhere.


if they don't know about it then they are clearly not doing their homework or asking the right kinds of questions during the recruiting process.

Dave Flint is a class act in every way so I know he is up front and honest during the recruiting process. anyway if kids are still choosing to go play at St A's with this knowledge then it's hard to have a lot of sympathy for them on this issue.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

It's sad how weak the ECAC East has become and how much of a guaranteed spot Manhattanville basically has in the NCAA tournament but that's the way the chips fall i guess.

It's just frustrating seeing RIT, Elmira, Plattsburgh, Utica, Oswego, and Neumann all either programs on the rise or traditional top 10 powers having to duke it out for 1 automatic qualifier bid and then most likely 1 Pool C bid because they are all going to beat up on each other and take each other out of the at-large considerations.

[aerogroup2]

Let's get this straight once and for all and move on.
Saint Anselm is a school of 2000 students that award scholarships in ONE sport,basketball,and as a result ( because of some arcane NCAA rule0 is ineligible for post season play.Saint Anselm wil not now or in the near future offer women's iice hockey scholarships.
What is the problem,25 women from a good academic institution playong hockey without scholarships.
are other teams afraid ?the ECAC East is better from an academic and athletic point with them in the league.
Let the girls play on let's moveo

Sounds like St A would be better off going D3, if they could wean themselves from the basketball scholarships. Still, rules are rules and the school has made the choice to stay D2 and only give scholarships to men's and women's basketball for the time being. I wouldn't blame the NCAA, I would complain to the school administration!

[hawkhockey]

the kids there know the plight when they decide to attend and play at St. A's. if they aren't happy with it then they should be going to school and playing hockey elsewhere.


if they don't know about it then they are clearly not doing their homework or asking the right kinds of questions during the recruiting process.

Dave Flint is a class act in every way so I know he is up front and honest during the recruiting process. anyway if kids are still choosing to go play at St A's with this knowledge then it's hard to have a lot of sympathy for them on this issue.
I don't think that the girls on the team are loking for on need sympathy from anyone.
They came into the program with their eyes wide open,deciding to play hockey at a school where it is still a game and not a full time business.
the original post was on the ECAC East rankings this year and it appears that most everyone expects them to repeat as regular season champions.
As to the NCAA tournament,the girls know that is not going to happen so they will try to improve on last years record,24-3,and in trying to improve on their record of goals scored(#1) and goals against(#1)) last year.
when the regular season is over,the season is over and the girls will grab their towels and sunscreen and head south for spring break with the knowledge that they are the best team in division that is not in the playoffs.
actually the real losers,are the teams that won't have the opportunity to play them.

[Da Big Bad Cow]

I don't think that the girls on the team are loking for on need sympathy from anyone.
They came into the program with their eyes wide open,deciding to play hockey at a school where it is still a game and not a full time business.
the original post was on the ECAC East rankings this year and it appears that most everyone expects them to repeat as regular season champions.
As to the NCAA tournament,the girls know that is not going to happen so they will try to improve on last years record,24-3,and in trying to improve on their record of goals scored(#1) and goals against(#1)) last year.
when the regular season is over,the season is over and the girls will grab their towels and sunscreen and head south for spring break with the knowledge that they are the best team in division that is not in the playoffs.
actually the real losers,are the teams that won't have the opportunity to play them.

thats a good post, and i agree with you, particularly on the very last sentence.

i'm just sick of every year seeing the same complaints on this message board about how unfair it is and how we should let them play in the playoffs and whatever else. why are there so many ifs and buts about choices that everyone, from players to coaches to fans, have made?

rules are rules whether you, i, or we like them or not....and these particular rules were a secret to nobody. its not like they were allowed to participate and then the ncaa suddenly changed their mind

[jerrynu26]

Let's get this straight once and for all and move on.
Saint Anselm is a school of 2000 students that award scholarships in ONE sport,basketball,and as a result ( because of some arcane NCAA rule0 is ineligible for post season play.Saint Anselm wil not now or in the near future offer women's iice hockey scholarships.
What is the problem,25 women from a good academic institution playong hockey without scholarships.
are other teams afraid ?the ECAC East is better from an academic and athletic point with them in the league.
Let the girls play on let's moveo

The rule is because as a DII instituition offering some basketball scholarships, they have the ability to have a larger athletic department budget overall that will benefit non-scholarship sports.

If they were not so bent on having a DII basketball program, they could move up for all (which is unliekly) or move the entire school down to DIII (where every other sport they have is).

I don't necessarily agree, but think that is the reasoning, not whether other schools are "afraid" to play them.....

[hawkhockey]

The rule is because as a DII instituition offering some basketball scholarships, they have the ability to have a larger athletic department budget overall that will benefit non-scholarship sports.

If they were not so bent on having a DII basketball program, they could move up for all (which is unliekly) or move the entire school down to DIII (where every other sport they have is).

I don't necessarily agree, but think that is the reasoning, not whether other schools are "afraid" to play them.....
i'm not sure what you mean when you say having one scholarship team ,basketball benefits the hockey team.
If it is true ,then a school like RPI,Clarkson in hockey and hobart in lacrosse would have a similar unfair advantage with their DIII teams

[jerrynu26]

i'm not sure what you mean when you say having one scholarship team ,basketball benefits the hockey team.
If it is true ,then a school like RPI,Clarkson in hockey and hobart in lacrosse would have a similar unfair advantage with their DIII teams

I don't believe they have scholarships.

[uvmcats]

It's sad how weak the ECAC East has become and how much of a guaranteed spot Manhattanville basically has in the NCAA tournament but that's the way the chips fall i guess.

It's just frustrating seeing RIT, Elmira, Plattsburgh, Utica, Oswego, and Neumann all either programs on the rise or traditional top 10 powers having to duke it out for 1 automatic qualifier bid and then most likely 1 Pool C bid because they are all going to beat up on each other and take each other out of the at-large considerations.

RIT chose to be in that situation. With Norwich in the ECAC East, NEC with a new coach for the next recruiting cycle, So. Maine beginning to rebound, St. A's to keep the pressure on, I see good potential to grow and increase the level of hockey. Some of these schools have great men's programs (Norwich and NEC) and some men's programs are gaining stature (Castleton and So. Maine) which may translate to a better recruiting environment for the women's teams. I don't see Manhattanville continuing its dominance in the conference much longer, especially as it appears to be losing its Canadian connections. I will admit that the ECAC East schools will have to build with American talent as the ECAC West rosters (other than Buffalo, Utica and Cortland) have probably used up the available Canadian talent.:D

[hawkhockey]

I don't believe they have scholarships.

I don't want to beat a dead horse but i thought that RPI,Clarkson and St.Lawrence give men's hockey scholarships and were given a waiver by the NCAA to play up and give scholarships in ice hockey and to maintain their DIII status in all other sports

[jerrynu26]

I don't want to beat a dead horse but i thought that RPI,Clarkson and St.Lawrence give men's hockey scholarships and were given a waiver by the NCAA to play up and give scholarships in ice hockey and to maintain their DIII status in all other sports

My bad, you are correct.

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,7693/ScholarshipsWillContinueForPlayUpSchools.html

They were grandfathered in for playing up, not down.

[hawkhockey]

My bad, you are correct.

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,7693/ScholarshipsWillContinueForPlayUpSchools.html

They were grandfathered in for playing up, not down.
The inconsistency makes this situation confusing and frustrating for the two schools effected,St.A's and St.Mike's.
these schools aren't going to beg for a favor as the girls knew what they were getting into.
But since there is a moratorium on schools moving to either D! or III,why not allow the teams to particiipate until the moratorium is lifted and at that time make them decide where they want to be

[SHUCrosscheck]

The inconsistency makes this situation confusing and frustrating for the two schools effected,St.A's and St.Mike's.
these schools aren't going to beg for a favor as the girls knew what they were getting into.
But since there is a moratorium on schools moving to either D! or III,why not allow the teams to particiipate until the moratorium is lifted and at that time make them decide where they want to be

If they did that then you would have nothing to post on here about.

[RStarr]

St. A's (and RIT) needs to go Division One with Holy Cross and Syracuse. End of (my) story. :p

And yes, Clarkson does give scholy’s to players on the women's team.

[RStarr]

It's sad how weak the ECAC East has become and how much of a guaranteed spot Manhattanville basically has in the NCAA tournament but that's the way the chips fall i guess.

It's just frustrating seeing RIT, Elmira, Plattsburgh, Utica, Oswego, and Neumann all either programs on the rise or traditional top 10 powers having to duke it out for 1 automatic qualifier bid and then most likely 1 Pool C bid because they are all going to beat up on each other and take each other out of the at-large considerations.
So agreed. And I thought Utica was blatantly screwed by Elmira last season for a bid. :mad: