summer 2007 Womens Chowder Cup

[sheba]

teams are starting to form for this summer's Chowder cup -- any teams returning from MINN?? really enjoyed the competition and seeing some of the top prospects like Gigi Marvin and the Lam twins last summer. Hope this summer they will try to schedule better brackets...

[TonyTheTiger20]

Chowder cup

i have no idea what this is but it sounds AWESOME

[BKDad]

For the Google challenged: http://www.proamhockey.com/Womens%20Chowder%20Cup/2007/2007_wcc_main.htm

Two separate brackets - no waiting.

[sheba]

Many thanks for the Link! I kept getting the mens info instead.
TONY - as a womens hockey fan - this is a fun summer Mass tourney that brings in some extraordinary talent from Canada and outside New England that we dont get to see that often...even some of our local talent that are NCAA champs (lawler!!) came back to play with friends!! well worth watching if these blue chippah players participate!
But Woody -- where is Belle Tire???
VERY IMPRESSIVE TEAMS listed - and Reebok is back!! I recall there was an age limit - maybe u19/20 last year included several college freshmen so I think were were 86 birthdates... Last year the round robin was kinda lopsided in a few divisions - but perhaps the separate brackets will help. These teams (and spectators) should be eager for the best competition and not mismatches IMO .. ANy info on any players rosters or too early?? (trying to find something NEW to discuss!!!;) )



The following teams are expected to enter the
2007 Angela Ruggiero Women's Chowder Cup July 20, 21, & 22nd
Foxboro Sports Center, Foxboro, Ma
Milton Academy, Milton, Ma
Iorio Arena, Walpole, Ma



Team Coach/GM
1 Assabet Valley (AA) Ma. Bill Horan
2 Atlantic Canadians (AA) John Bryden
3 Connecticut Polar Stars (AA) Andrea Kilbourne
4 Connecticut Stars (AA Bracket) Allison Hughes
5 East Coast Wizards (AA Bracket) Paul/Courtney Kennedy
6 Global Hockey Selects (AA Bracket) US Matt Smith
7 Iorio Arena Selects (AA) Boston Joe Hackett
8 Junior Bruins (AA Bracket) Black/ Boston Matt Swain
9 Junior Bruins (AA Bracket) Gold/ Boston Chris Masters
10 Mid-Am Selects (AA Bracket) Mid-Atlantic Lauren Posillico
11 Minnesota Ice Cats David Hirsch
12 Minnesota Jr. White Caps (Blue) Chris Peterson
13 Minnesota Jr. WhiteCaps (White) Mike Perushek
14 Jersey Jets AAA (AA Bracket) Mark Hurle
15 NEWHL All-Stars (AA Bracket) MA Bob Hanson
16 NEWHL Alumni (AA Bracket) MA Bob Hanson
17 North American Hockey Academy (AA)VT. Bill Driscoll
18 Ohio Phantom Flames (AA Bracket) Steve Switaj
19 Ontario Selects (AA Bracket) M.Heinhuis/J.Raimondi
20 Quakers (AA Bracket) Philadelphia Tom Norton
21 Rapid/RBK Hockey (AA Bracket) Scott Lambton
22 Rapid/RBK Hockey Martlets (AA Bracket) Chris Sides
23 Seaside Selects (AA Bracket) New England Kevin Zifcak
24 Suffolk PAL (AA Bracket) Jim Wright
25 Team Aeroflex U19 (AA Bracket) N.J. D.Gould, S. Looney
26 Team Redline (AA Bracket) CT. Cathie Bonner/C.Fuchs
27 Team Sweden (AA Bracket) Maria Rooth
28 Team THX U19 (AA Bracket) US/Ont. Steve Thomson
29 Thunderbird Selects U19 (AA Bracket) MI Todd Kesler
30 Utica Jill Doherty
31 Vermont Stars (AA Bracket) Walter O'Brien
32 Reserved Little Caesars
Double AA Bracket now closed!!

[Hux]

I saw on another thread that Belle Tire is now Little Caesars

What I find very interesting is the way this tourney, and most for that matter, designate tiers by ability, and the highest is AA. Not AAA. Strange how soooooooo many teams like to call themselves AAA, and yet when it comes time for a big tourney like Chowder Cup, there is no AAA division.

I think people (parents, and club team owners/directors) need to realize that there is no AAA, short of NWHL or NCAA D1.

[Sweden]

I saw on another thread that Belle Tire is now Little Caesars

What I find very interesting is the way this tourney, and most for that matter, designate tiers by ability, and the highest is AA. Not AAA. Strange how soooooooo many teams like to call themselves AAA, and yet when it comes time for a big tourney like Chowder Cup, there is no AAA division.

I think people (parents, and club team owners/directors) need to realize that there is no AAA, short of NWHL or NCAA D1.

Good observation and totally agree. I remember several years ago watching a teamfrom our program play a much older team that walked in the rink wearing jackets saying the name of the team followed by "Girls Triple AAA Hockey". The jacket wearers got spanked pretty badly by the younger kids. My point is
Labels are labels, meaningless in many cases.

[biffgnar]

"Girls Triple AAA Hockey"

Whenever I see jackets like this I always wonder what "triple AAA" means? Is that really nine As?

[BKDad]

Maybe they help stranded motorists - lots of 'em.

[WOODY THE WOODPECKER]

I saw on another thread that Belle Tire is now Little Caesars

What I find very interesting is the way this tourney, and most for that matter, designate tiers by ability, and the highest is AA. Not AAA. Strange how soooooooo many teams like to call themselves AAA, and yet when it comes time for a big tourney like Chowder Cup, there is no AAA division.

I think people (parents, and club team owners/directors) need to realize that there is no AAA, short of NWHL or NCAA D1.

in the state of Michigan the Michigan Amateur Hockey association--aka MAHA gives the teams the label of AAA. it is not the organization nor coaches who are looking to inflate their image. AAA is printed on their official roster and for various tournaments such as their state championship they have to disclose if their team is AAA.

[LA Parent]

I saw on another thread that Belle Tire is now Little Caesars

What I find very interesting is the way this tourney, and most for that matter, designate tiers by ability, and the highest is AA. Not AAA. Strange how soooooooo many teams like to call themselves AAA, and yet when it comes time for a big tourney like Chowder Cup, there is no AAA division.

I think people (parents, and club team owners/directors) need to realize that there is no AAA, short of NWHL or NCAA D1.

The Polar Bear tournament also calls its highest division AA. When talking to a coach from Canada he was surprised that our "top" teams were playing in a AA tournament and not a AAA where the Canadian top teams play. When he found out that there really are NO AAA tournaments here in the USA he said he would have never come down here. That being said the tournament classification has little to do who signs up for any tournament. I think teams, coaches and parents really need to identify if they are really a team that can compete in the "TOP" level of any tournament regardless of the level designation.

[finalapprch]

When he found out that there really are NO AAA tournaments here in the USA he said he would have never come down here. .

Just wondering how this coaches team did in the tournament. Was it the PB tournament?

[LA Parent]

Just wondering how this coaches team did in the tournament. Was it the PB tournament?

Yes it was and they went 0-2-1. Not last year the year before. Aftr the game he aslo told me that we would be "up against it" if we played their AAA team.

[hockeyedge]

The Polar Bear tournament also calls its highest division AA. When talking to a coach from Canada he was surprised that our "top" teams were playing in a AA tournament and not a AAA where the Canadian top teams play. When he found out that there really are NO AAA tournaments here in the USA he said he would have never come down here. That being said the tournament classification has little to do who signs up for any tournament. I think teams, coaches and parents really need to identify if they are really a team that can compete in the "TOP" level of any tournament regardless of the level designation.

I am confused!! The Ontario Womens Hockey Association only recognizes the designations of AA, A, BB, B and C. I have never seen a girls team in Ontario with a higher designation than AA.

[SAMMEE]

If all these clubs/tournaments called themselves AAA somebody would change their team to AAAA. In the US anyone that wants to try and qualify for the Nationals is Tier One in the girls/women and should be considered the highest classification whatever the letter even though there is a wide gap in talent. Unlike the boys there is no Tier Two Nationals but there are "tier two" girls teams.

A lot of the teams last year what not of the highest caliber. Knowing some of the people involved if their child did not make the local "AAAAA" team for the tournament; they went out and formed another team and called it A+.

Looking at the number of teams it seems as if this tournament is just becoming another money making opportunity. They should limit it to 8 - 12 teams; require all applications to list roster and player profiles and then pick and chose. If you want to showcase the best of the best it should not be a matter of your check clearing or credit card not maxed out. Some of the teams had 13/14 yr old "B" players competing against D-1 all stars.

[BKDad]

If you want to showcase the best of the best
Very interesting question. Is that what this event is about?

[biffgnar]

Haven't they also created two levels of brackets this year when last year everybody was thrown together in one? I think the only bracket listed here has been the "AA", but there is an "A" also. Whether proper placement has occurred between those brackets, either by tournament organizers or by team managers, could be a separate question?

[sheba]

Haven't they also created two levels of brackets this year when last year everybody was thrown together in one? I think the only bracket listed here has been the "AA", but there is an "A" also. Whether proper placement has occurred between those brackets, either by tournament organizers or by team managers, could be a separate question?
since I am one of the "googley challenged" I only listed the AA bracket ..but here is the A bracket. Last year there were lots of lop sided scores and some effort has been made this year to try to fix it - of course you will then have the complaint that an "A" team should have played in the AA bracket....etc. one of my favorite whines was heard at the PB tournament in the AA bracket when parents claimed the teams brought in "ringers" who only played in tournaments ...if you are playing in the highest level, how can you bring in a "ringer"??? This tournament seems to bring in some very talented players to the Boston area which is a good chance to visit colleges in New England..

1 Cape Cod Sharks U19 (A Bracket Dave Foster
2 Charles River Girls Hockey Doug Cox
3 EAC Turtles (A Bracket) R.I. Steve Olink
4 Global Hockey Selects (A Bracket) US Matt Smith
5 Lady Patriots (A Bracket) Philadelphia Ken Latchum
6 Mass Lady Mariners (A Bracket) Lee Goodwin
7 NECDL (A Bracket) Boston Ted Anastos
8 Network Hockey (A Bracket) Futures-MD Craig Laughlin
9 New Jersey Selects (A Bracket) Kevin Cunningham
10 NEWHL (A Bracket) Futures- MA Bob Hanson
11 NEWHL (A Bracket) Prep - MA Bob Hanson
12 Ottawa Fishers (A Bracket)- Ontario Frank Papineau
13 RI Revolution (A Bracket) Rhode Island John Doherty
14 Spitfires (A Bracket) Boston/New England L.Movsessian/H.Greaves
15 STL Elite (A Bracket) Midwest US Dan Torgerson
16 Sunshine Selects (A Bracket) N.J. Kevin Cunningham
17 Team Redline (A Bracket) CT. Cathie Bonner/C.Fuchs
18 Team THX Futures ( A Bracket) US/Ont. Steve Thomson
19 Thunderbird Selects Fut.U19 (A Bracket) MI Todd Kesler
20 Vermont Stars (A Bracket) Futures Walter O'Brien

Single A Division now Closed!!

[Hux]

Looking at the number of teams it seems as if this tournament is just becoming another money making opportunity. They should limit it to 8 - 12 teams; require all applications to list roster and player profiles and then pick and chose. If you want to showcase the best of the best it should not be a matter of your check clearing or credit card not maxed out. Some of the teams had 13/14 yr old "B" players competing against D-1 all stars.

Hello, this is America, home of CAPITALISM! What do you expect them to do?

And why is it that everyone wants/expects a showcase, and then complains when there are 30 teams? If Chowder Cup is to be a "showcase" event, there needs to be a large pool of talent so that "the best of the best" actually stands out.

Let's say you went with 12 teams. Who is to judge just who should be on those 12 teams? If the point is to showcase talent, there is no reason for the Minnesota Ice Cats U19 to play, as they have 10 players already commited to D1 schools. And then using that logic, what would be the point of showcasing any U19 players that are high school seniors that aren't commited, since they obviously weren't good enough to get noticed and offered a D1 ride in the first place.

So now you are down to using high school juniors and below. How is anyone to know from looking at a roster who belongs, and who doesn't? What do you use as a benchmark, NDC participation? Nominations from a panel of distinguished in the know people from various districts? Obviously it wouldn't work.

So you are stuck with what is there and you accept that it is what it is-a summer hockey tourney for the girls to play some games and have some fun, and if they get "noticed" all the better.

[BKDad]

So you are stuck with what is there and you accept that it is what it is-a summer hockey tourney for the girls to play some games and have some fun, and if they get "noticed" all the better.
Thank you for letting play me your "straight" man...

Maybe people shouldn't read too much into these kinds of events. I don't think hockey players are "discovered' the same way Lana Turner was.

[brookyone]

http://www.minnesotawhitecaps.com/leagues/custom_page.cfm?leagueID=5109&clientID=2178&pageid=889

http://www.minnesotaicecats.com/u19_roster.htm
http://www.minnesotaicecats.com/u19_schedule.htm

A couple of the current rosters for teams mentioned as participants, although the Icecats don't show it on their schedule...but show the dates as open between two other scheduled tournaments. I'm curious to see the final rosters for any of the Minnesota participants...see if perhaps they might undergo any sort of "fortification" for the Chowder Cup. The Icecat roster linked above while having some talented young players isn't very near the level of the Icecats that played in the previous Chowder Cup. The Jr. Whitecap roster linked above the stronger team of the two and pretty good "as is" IMO. I'm wondering if we'll see some former Icecats, perhaps back home for the summer from points east suit up...maybe a couple of twins as well.