2006-07 Gopher Season

[dhmn]

Hard to believe anyone would have a reason to argue with you, eh?

been there.. done that :D :D :D :D :D just playin though

[brookyone]

Hard to believe anyone would have a reason to argue with you, eh?
Surely no more likely than it would be to believe the same about you and your ever present Gopher / metro area chip...because contentious whiny little posts are so out of your realm and all; right? :rolleyes: A Badger fan bent about me stating I thought the Badgers were deserving of the #1 ranking...I s'pose that makes perfect sense to you and con1977.

Thanks so much for stoppin' by. Always a pleasure.

[brookyone]

The Buckeyes have lost four straight one goal games in the WCHA...including an OT loss. This team has got to be hungry for a W. With that in mind, hosting Minnesota, I'd anticipate a tough series and close games. Does anyone who may have seen OSU this season care to comment on what to expect? I'm hoping the Gophers will play with energy both nights after the series in Madison and grab four points.

Lookin' to get back on the winning track.

[WHKY blogger]

The Buckeyes have lost four straight one goal games in the WCHA...including an OT loss. This team has got to be hungry for a W. With that in mind, hosting Minnesota, I'd anticipate a tough series and close games. Does anyone who may have seen OSU this season care to comment on what to expect? I'm hoping the Gophers will play with energy both nights after the series in Madison and grab four points.

Lookin' to get back on the winning track.

OSU Came to play when we were there eariler this month for the UW-OSU Series. The first game they seemed like they were feeling us out for the first two periods, taking a few chances but not really playing with too much pressure. The third period of the first game and all of the second game they came at us full boar. They were taking what seemed like a lot of shots and getting physical inside the blue line. However in both games it seemed like everytime we scored they were back to square one for a minute or so before they got their fire back. They seem to have the potential to finish in that 4-7 cluster but unless they find a way to finish some games with a W, they could be in a battle with UND for the basement. Both their friday and one of their saturday goals were power play goals. I think one of the rare occasions that Vetter gave up two power play goals. OSU also seems to screeen the goalie quite well this year, not sure if they just arent that moble or if they are doing that on purpose. Also they use the 2 goalie rotation, we put up 30 shots in the first game and 37 in the second game, and as Iam sure you are aware both game ended up 3-2. After the weekend the gophs had in madison I dont see any reason they cant sweep the buckeyes.

[brookyone]

http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2006/10/25/69553

Thanks much for the scoop WHKY blogger.

[binnyrus]

I read the article. So, based on Slominski's duties, what the heck does Halldorson do??

[brookyone]

I read the article. So, based on Slominski's duties, what the heck does Halldorson do??
Perhaps you should ask her next chance you get. I don't attend team practices or hang out at the Ridder facilities other than the general fan seating area during games so I can't answer that one. I think coach Halldorson herself would be the best source of info pertaining to your inquiry.

[ARM]

The assistant coaches at Minnesota have always run a lot of the day-to-day functions with the team; Halldorson is more involved with running the program. I think part of it is based on coaching philosophy. Some coaches are very hands on, and are reluctant to turn over too much responsibility to their assistants. Others believe in delegating, and then they choose when to step in. I've heard more than one D-I coach say that the X's and O's of the game aren't the biggest piece of their job.

The Nichols' SH goal against UNH isn't really indicative of a more aggressive PK, because the Wildcat player had just come out of the box. I think a better measure of how aggressive the kill is by how many shots they allow per PP.

[binnyrus]

In addition, Slominski was a great player for the Gophers and I wish her all the luck in the world with her coaching career. I'm sure she had a lot to do with SCSU's great push the 2nd half of last season.

[Moveurfeet]

Surely no more likely than it would be to believe the same about you and your ever present Gopher / metro area chip...because contentious whiny little posts are so out of your realm and all; right?
Thanks so much for stoppin' by. Always a pleasure.

Oh, now. There you go again. I appreciate you thanking me for stopping by. Personally, I try to avoid what I consider "whiny little posts," but it's fun to bait the hook and see who'll rise to suck in the bait.

Now forgive me, but I have come to believe UMTC has a leg up on the competition here in the "Gopher State" and, in fact, the hockey world in general. (If you want, I certainly think we could take this discussion off to a separate forum, which would be more productive and enlightening to all who look at this). Personally, I'm happy to be an underdog as long as those who have more resources are willing to admit it and congratulate those of us who have to fight our way to the top.

For example, the operating expenses for women's hockey PER PARTICIPANT as reported to the US Department of Education's OPE site for WCHA teams (caveat: these are basically game-day expenses, the only thing reported):
UW: $17,316
Ohio State: $10,514
UMTC: $7,028
Bemidji: $6,958
St. Cloud: $6,884
UMD: $2,152

So forgive me for whining or having a chip on my shoulder, but it looks like we're definitely the underdogs in terms of money and resources. And please forgive me for celebrating when we win against those who have big money.

If you want to take this to another forum, we can certain do some research about which programs have the most money and resources and debate whether that has a correlation to success.

Your call, Brooky.

[dhmn]

While I do understand the argument about programs not spending as much money PER participant.... you have to remember there are variables like D1 Football/Basketball that influence how much money a University can spend.

I don't know if you left out North Dakota and Mankato on purpose but from THOSE numbers really dont' mean much to me especially including North Dakota's women's expenditure being *OVER* $7,000 for a team that's rarely achieved...

Those numbers I'm going to assume take into account operating costs of the on campus arena's, and if UMD had an on campus Arena, the numbers here would also be higher. Personally I'd much rather have an arena on the DECC site, there is a lot more parking room, and restaurants etc for fans, plus the harbor's a great view at night(or afternoon on a sunny afternoon.)

If the teams were ALL competitive with UMD *because* they spend more per participant, maybe I'd go with the whole argument, but the numbers don't mean anything other then that it costs more

After all that rambling, I guess I'll just say, the argument doesn't "fly" with me, and *I* am a UMD supporter.

[ARM]

Well I'm not going to touch whether or not Moveurfeet's post "whined", but it sure wasn't "little". Nor from where I sit too accurate, given that Bemidji, SCSU, and Minnesota all come in at the same ballpark figure. Maybe UMD didn't understand the question?

[pgb-ohio]

Naturally there are "game day expenses" whether you're at home or on the road. If you control for travel costs, OSU's expenditures are probably right in there with the core group. I can assure you that games held at the OSU Ice Rink aren't extravagantly staged.

As for the outliers, we just have to be comparing apples to oranges. Unless Wisconsin is handing out $100 bills to everyone who attends their games, there's no way they're spending that much more than everyone else. My guess is that Women's Hockey is helping finance Kohl Center for accounting purposes. While that speculation could be wrong, the Badgers have to be reporting some sort of expense not included by the rest.

Similarly, while Duluth could well be at the bottom of the rankings, I've got to believe they're excluding expenses reported by the other schools.

[brookyone]

Oh, now. There you go again. I appreciate you thanking me for stopping by. Personally, I try to avoid what I consider "whiny little posts," but it's fun to bait the hook and see who'll rise to suck in the bait.
You mean like the broadstroke, ridiculous, 100% baseless accusation that others were suggesting Michaela Lanzl be treated as less than human, or that others were infact treating Lanzl inhumanely, or that others were somehow unappreciative of the fact she's a human being simply because they (or I) didn't think she should get a NCAA exception...when nobody, I mean nobody indicated anything which could be remotely construed or interpreted as such? Unless your looking for a reason to whine about something. No, that wasn't the least bit whiny. You weren't serious...it was just a clever ploy by a supremely clever individual to bait the hook...righto. Just one example.

Now forgive me, but I have come to believe UMTC has a leg up on the competition here in the "Gopher State" and, in fact, the hockey world in general. (If you want, I certainly think we could take this discussion off to a separate forum, which would be more productive and enlightening to all who look at this). Personally, I'm happy to be an underdog as long as those who have more resources are willing to admit it and congratulate those of us who have to fight our way to the top.

Yeah, the fact you've come to that conclusion is a real revelation all right...it was such a mystery, and thanks for providing a crystal clear example of the precise commom and constant thread running thru all your posts...poor little underpriveleged UMD...we're always the huge underdog so when we win it's just a huge accomplishment and so much bigger than any other team could ever possibly hope to achieve because all those other programs have huge advantages over poor little UMD. We're world beaters in the shadow of the big, bad, evil, sinister UMTC...cry me a FN river. I need a tissue, anybody got a tissue for me?

You're happy to be an underdog and want special congratulations when you overcome those huge obstacles SO much greater than any other team has to deal with and which require a far more difficult path / battle than any other team. Anyone seeing a trend here? I myself just don't buy the "disadvantaged UMD" theory.

For example, the operating expenses for women's hockey PER PARTICIPANT as reported to the US Department of Education's OPE site for WCHA teams (caveat: these are basically game-day expenses, the only thing reported):
UW: $17,316
Ohio State: $10,514
UMTC: $7,028
Bemidji: $6,958
St. Cloud: $6,884
UMD: $2,152

Very impressive research. Means less than zero to me, however I'm well aware of how perfectly splendid it makes you feel about those underprivileged Bulldogs while reinforcing your conviction of what world beaters they remain in the face of obstacles that would devastate any others. Frankly, I think OSU, Bemidji & MSU deal with far greater obstacles to competing than UMD and it's got nothing to do with funds. You also seem to like to conveniently omit the considerable advantage UMD has over others in the recruitment area.

I don't have any desire to prolong a discussion with you in this or any other venue...I'm all cried out and can't deal with any more heartache.

Look at that, foolish me...I took the bait again. Duped yet again by the master.

[brookyone]

Time again for some actual Gopher hockey news:

http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=38864&SPID=3323&DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=659156

[binnyrus]

Re: the conversation below this in the thread. It's a great example of how deep the hockey rivalry between the two schools (UMD v UMTC) and their fans go. So, those of you out east that don't understand . . . read it again! I am reminded of the 2nd championship UMD won out in New Hampshire. We were watching UMTC play Brown and (of course) cheering madly for Brown. Some fans around us were surprised that being from MN we weren't cheering for the same-state team. We laughed at the thought of it. It told me how much they had to learn about MN hockey.

It doesn't always make sense, but it sure is fun to watch!!!!

Now . . . back to the Gophers. . . . .

[taz91]

Time again for some actual Gopher hockey news:

http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=38864&SPID=3323&DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=659156

Decided to take the high road fianlly huh Brooky? No offense to DHMN and Binnyrus because they can see the big picture of college hockey, but I see a lot of UMD fans that take the "wo is me" defense to their program. Does it really matter how much you spend per player? I know, lets compare WCHA success to the number of Olympians you've had come through your program. :rolleyes:

[ManBehindTheCurtain]

For example, the operating expenses for women's hockey PER PARTICIPANT as reported to the US Department of Education's OPE site for WCHA teams (caveat: these are basically game-day expenses, the only thing reported):
UW: $17,316
Ohio State: $10,514
UMTC: $7,028
Bemidji: $6,958
St. Cloud: $6,884
UMD: $2,152


I wonder if you would be so kind as to provide a link to where you obtained this information. The disparities are so great as to suggest to me that there is some apples and oranges comparison going on and I would appreciate the opportunity to examine the raw data in order that I may draw my own conclusions.

[dhmn]

I wonder if you would be so kind as to provide a link to where you obtained this information. The disparities are so great as to suggest to me that there is some apples and oranges comparison going on and I would appreciate the opportunity to examine the raw data in order that I may draw my own conclusions.

That information is readily available at http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/index.asp .. it (the site)surfaced in a thread on the men's side last year when people were griping that Shannon Miller got a contract extension before Scott Sandelin. It also made it's way to a sort of Title IX discussion on this side of the forum I believe.

[dhmn]

Decided to take the high road fianlly huh Brooky? No offense to DHMN and Binnyrus because they can see the big picture of college hockey, but I see a lot of UMD fans that take the "wo is me" defense to their program. Does it really matter how much you spend per player? I know, lets compare WCHA success to the number of Olympians you've had come through your program. :rolleyes:

Team USA Olympians or Olympians overall? ;) Definitely time to get back to the actual hockey stuff.