The Official Thread of the 2006 Boston Red Sox

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Sox were clearly caught off guard when Flaherty quit. I'd have to assume he was the option.Yankee plant? :rolleyes:
Having said that though, backup catchers can't be that hard to find.Perhaps. But evidently you can't assume that all backup catchers can catch a knuckleball. The PBs really hurt. On strikeouts, they give extra outs and create a baserunner, and since it's easy to steal on Wake, the free bases the PBs give up hurt even more than with a normal pitcher.

[Westfield Eagle]

As far as the rotation goes, I know this is blasphemy but they might want to seriously consider moving Papelbon back into the rotation. With Foulke starting to right himself again I'd give it another month and then see if he's still solid. If so there's a glaring need for a 3rd starter and you don't need two closers.


But if you do that then you make the 'pen weaker. A lot may depend on how Hansen does at triple AAA in my opinion.

I'd rather see Alvarez or Lester before I ever see DiNardo pitch again.

[Mark Laliberte]

As far as the rotation goes, I know this is blasphemy but they might want to seriously consider moving Papelbon back into the rotation. :rolleyes: You sound like a WEEI caller.

9-9 with saves and a 0.00(!!!) ERA. For him to shift gears now causes two problems: You lose a closer and you have no gurantee that Papelbon can make the transfer.

[KevinNU7]

As far as the rotation goes, I know this is blasphemy but they might want to seriously consider moving Papelbon back into the rotation. With Foulke starting to right himself again I'd give it another month and then see if he's still solid. If so there's a glaring need for a 3rd starter and you don't need two closers.
This isn't a video game

[Rover]

I realize its difficult for your pea sized brains to think outside the box ;) but 3rd starters don't spontaneously regenerate the last time I checked. Somebody has to fill that rule, and unless Roger Clemens is walking through that door, you can kiss off any post season success if Clement or Wakefield is pitching every third or fourth game. That forces Schilling and Beckett to be perfect throughout the playoffs which is impossible.

[Westfield Eagle]

you can kiss off any post season success if Clement or Wakefield is pitching every third or fourth game. That forces Schilling and Beckett to be perfect throughout the playoffs which is impossible.

Schilling: 8-2 with a 2.06 ERA in the postseason
Beckett: 2-2 with a 2.11 ERA in his lone playoff appearance; an appearance where he won the WS for Florida in Yankee Stadium.

The Diamondbacks won the WS with Johnson and Schilling. IF the Sox make the playoffs, Schilling and Beckett have the potential to do the same thing.

[NUJerseyJohn]

Didn't you have a third starter in Arroyo? :p

(This is not meant to be a flame. Honestly. :))

[Westfield Eagle]

Didn't you have a third starter in Arroyo? :p

(This is not meant to be a flame. Honestly. :))

Objective fans would be able to say it was a horrible trade :mad:

I'd rather have Mirabelli catching Wakefield instead of Loretta's .240 average too.

[SteveF]

Wasn't Winfied the guy who was offered money to choose one team over another, hence the HOF deciding for them now?



I think they offered him a management position. and boggs wanted to be a d-ray was just a disgrace to baseball.

Clemens said NY when he was in NY. I'm sure would have said Houston if you asked him last year. and his best years were not with the red sox. he's had 4 or 5 cy youngs since he left them

[Terrierbyassociation]

Clemens had 192 wins with the Red Sox. This shouldn't even be an argument.

His best seasons weren't as a Yankee, and he didn't spend enough time with the Jays to go is a Blue Jay.

[SteveF]

dont be such a fanboy, you look stupid.


schilling has over 100 wins in philly, yet somehow you have him and his 30 something wins in boston as better than that? lets try to be consistent.

[Terrierbyassociation]

192-111 with the Red Sox

(And by the way, I have no love lost for Roger Clemens, or the Red Sox, I'm just saying the Red Sox win out because the other three teams have no merit for consideration compared to the Red Sox.)

He didn't spend enough time with the Blue Jays or the Astros(two seasons apiece) to warrant their consideration for the hat he will wear into Cooperstown.

He spent 5 seasons with the Yankees, none of them that were awe-inspiring performances. Even including his 2001 Cy Young performance, he was robbed in 90 and 92 while with the Red Sox.

Now let's look at Schilling versus Clemens versus the team hat he will wear into Cooperstown.

Who knows if Schilling will make it in to the HOF to begin with so the argument is moot until he puts up another great season after this one (and he announced that he will retire after the 07 season, for what that's worth.)

But if Schilling makes it the argument is much harder. While he spent the most time with the Phillies he was never HoF-kind-of-dominant. He emerged in Arizona as one of the games best, (even though he we was pretty good, he wasn't HoF worthy for the Phillies) and for his career he will be remembered for the 01 and 04 World Series. It would be up to Curt in that case because his glory is evenly split between the two, his toughness in 04 to bring Boston their first championship since 1918, and his give-me-the-****-ball attitude in 01 with the D-Backs...that's a tough call, and sentiment would win out with the Red Sox.

When did Schilling write himself into history? In a Philly uniform or after he left?

Clemens was already one of the games best when he left Boston. The same cannot be said about Schilling with Philly.

[Pal]

I realize its difficult for your pea sized brains to think outside the box ;) but 3rd starters don't spontaneously regenerate the last time I checked. Somebody has to fill that rule, and unless Roger Clemens is walking through that door, you can kiss off any post season success if Clement or Wakefield is pitching every third or fourth game. That forces Schilling and Beckett to be perfect throughout the playoffs which is impossible.

Right, you need a great third starter to have playoff success. Here are the 3rd starters on some recent championship teams:

Jose Contreras (CHW)
Mark Redman (FLA)
Ramon Ortiz (ANA)
Miguel Batista (ARI)

I'd take Wakefield as my third starter over any of those guys.

[NUJerseyJohn]

Right, you need a great third starter to have playoff success. Here are the 3rd starters on some recent championship teams:

Jose Contreras (CHW)
Mark Redman (FLA)
Ramon Ortiz (ANA)
Miguel Batista (ARI)

I'd take Wakefield as my third starter over any of those guys.
Well it's not like these guys are awful. Isn't Contreras something like 11-0 over his past 12 starts (or he was earlier in the season at one point)?

And no, you don't need a great 3rd starter for playoff success, but it helps to have one to get to the playoffs.

[Pal]

I didn't say that they're awful, just that they're at best average 3rd starters. And the Red Sox have two guys that would be decent 3rd starters on most teams. With the staff that led the Sox to the playoffs last season, and how much better it is this year (notwithstanding a 5th starter struggles to go 5 innings) I'm not too concerned.

[Haunted]

I'd rather have Mirabelli catching Wakefield instead of Loretta's .240 average too.
What, you'd rather have Mirabelli's .167 AVG and .540 OPS? Let me write that again. .540 OPS.

[Terrierbyassociation]

What, you'd rather have Mirabelli's .167 AVG and .540 OPS? Let me write that again. .540 OPS.

He's also getting little to no playing time over in SD, being blocked by a player he's probably better than.

[Haunted]

He's also getting little to no playing time over in SD, being blocked by a player he's probably better than.
No playing time or not, that's a terrible line.

[Terrierbyassociation]

No playing time or not, that's a terrible line.

He's got 18 at-bats, what do you expect from the guy? Sheesh, small sample size man, small sample size.

[Haunted]

He's got 18 at-bats, what do you expect from the guy? Sheesh, small sample size man, small sample size.
Well he did have a pretty good spring. But he's behind Mike Piazza, who is 2nd on the team with home runs. Yeah, he has 3, but still. And we both know (you as a Mets fan even more) that no matter how awful Mike Piazza might play, he's still going to be the #1 guy.