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Westfield Eagle
04-27-2006, 12:12 AM
These scab umpires have been a problem in the MiLB season thus far.
Two examples from last night. Check swing, appeal down to first. The base umpire isn't paying attention, doesn't even realize they're appealing to him, isn't even LOOKING towards the plate. They try again, he still doesn't flinch. Finally someone from the dugout yells at him, and he throws the arm out wide to say the batter didn't swing.
In the eighth, the manager goes to the mound to talk to the pitcher...or so we think. The umpire comes out to break it up after a minute, and the manager just starts tearing into him. The home plate umpire tosses him. As he leaves the field two minutes later, the base umpire says something, and the manager fires back over his shoulder and then the BASE umpire tosses him (can you be thrown out twice? let alone on the same trip out to the field?).
The thing is, he walked right back to the dugout, and stayed there for the rest of the game. No one made him leave, they just started the game right up again.
Never seen anything like it.
That's kinda funny actually :D
Westfield Eagle
04-27-2006, 12:15 AM
Sox get blown out tonight. How long before JohnB, I mean Chicken Little, posts?
SteveF
04-27-2006, 12:33 AM
If he went that's a really difficult decision. His most years were with Philly, his best were with Arizona(I think) and he has that memorable moment with the Sox.
imo,arizona. he came to boston as a superstar. i think he went to arizona as just a great pitcher from a bad team.
but by that logic, clemens goes in as a bluejay? so i'm not sure i buy it in all cases
HEFan4Life
04-27-2006, 03:31 AM
Why can't they hit for Wakefield? :confused: :(
Because one third of the lineup when he pitches is Josh Bard, A-Gon and Mohr and they simply can't hit major league pitching at all.
thecomicbookguy
04-27-2006, 06:56 AM
imo,arizona. he came to boston as a superstar. i think he went to arizona as just a great pitcher from a bad team.
but by that logic, clemens goes in as a bluejay? so i'm not sure i buy it in all cases
According to Clemens's words a few years back, using that logic he'd go in as a Yankee. I think I'd actually have to agree with him. When I think back on his career, I don't picture him in a Red Sox, Blue Jays, or Astros uniform. I see him as a Yankee.
kennedy - was the first base ump eating Twix and checking out chicks in the stands behind the dugout?
JohnB
04-27-2006, 08:43 AM
Sox get blown out tonight. How long before JohnB, I mean Chicken Little, posts?
Brilliant post. Straight to name-calling eh? Thanks for the valuable input.
Wipe up the drool when you leave and be sure not to exceed the posted time limits on the library computer.
Because one third of the lineup when he pitches is Josh Bard, A-Gon and Mohr and they simply can't hit major league pitching at all.Interestingly enough:
Bard
BA .294
OBP .400
OPS .753
Varitek
BA .246
OBP .343
OPS .694
Two of the last three were against good left handed pitchers. The Sox have always have trouble with Kazmir, and they're having trouble with lefties generally this year. Getting shut down by Joel Piniero I can't explain. Sometimes you just run into a pitcher having a good day, or you hit the ball right at fielders.
Terrierbyassociation
04-27-2006, 08:58 AM
Clemens is going in as a Red Sox. Schilling will go in as a Red Sox if he has 2-3 more good seasons(and if he gets into the Hall at all, for that matter.)
Scarlet
04-27-2006, 09:33 AM
Clemens is going in as a Red Sox. Schilling will go in as a Red Sox if he has 2-3 more good seasons(and if he gets into the Hall at all, for that matter.)
Says who - you? I remember a news story specifically about this that said he would go into the HOF with a Yankee hat. Now, if that changed, or it's MLB that is now calling the shots, that's different.
Craig P.
04-27-2006, 09:45 AM
Last I knew, it was the HOF calling the shots.
Also IIRC, Clemens indicated that preference while he was still with NYY. I have no idea if his opinion would be different now (at a point where he's not employed by either of the serious contenders).
BTW, my recollection is that it was Dave Winfield, not Wade Boggs, who impelled the HOF to dictate the hat that would be used.
Terrierbyassociation
04-27-2006, 10:09 AM
No Scarlet, says MLB. He's not going in as a Yankee. His best seasons were as a Red Sox, and unless he really wants to stick it to the Red Sox organization, then he will go in as a Red Sox.
MLB chooses, but does give leeway to the player's choice. However, after the Dave Winfield debacle(where he chose to go in as a Padre instead of as a Yankee, because he hates Steinbrenner, even though his best years were as a Yankee), MLB makes the choice for you, but they're not going to choose Tampa Bay or Houston to appease the Red Sox and Yankees contingent.
HEFan4Life
04-27-2006, 10:15 AM
Interestingly enough:
Bard
BA .294
OBP .400
OPS .753
Varitek
BA .246
OBP .343
OPS .694
Yes Bard has 4 singles and a double in 17 at bats. 3 of the singles were little bloops that just barely fell between infield and outfield. I agree that Tek isn't looking like himself, but you can't say he is worse than Bard up there. Bard, as of right now, has been overmatched facing major league pitching this season. He is also averaging 2 passed balls per game.
Rover
04-27-2006, 10:23 AM
I believe the Hall makes the call on what hat you wear, with two exceptions (one being Catfish Hunter) where the hat doesn't have any team's decal on it.
Boggs went with a Sox hat I believe. Its speculation but I think its pretty well known Clemens will also, regardless of where he finished his career. Wasn't Winfied the guy who was offered money to choose one team over another, hence the HOF deciding for them now?
BTW - there's too much bitterness out here on these threads. My recommendation is that people drink more. It tends to but you at ease.... ;)
Haunted
04-27-2006, 12:17 PM
Hansen promoted to AAA (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/).
The 22-year-old Hansen has been dominant for the Sea Dogs, going 1-0 with a 0.82 ERA in 5 games for Portland to begin his first full year in pro ball since being selected by the Red Sox in the first round of the 2005 draft.
Craig P.
04-27-2006, 12:20 PM
He is also averaging 2 passed balls per game.
Catching Wakefield. It's impossible to say whether Varitek would be doing better.
HEFan4Life
04-27-2006, 12:59 PM
Catching Wakefield. It's impossible to say whether Varitek would be doing better.
I wasn't trying to imply that varitek would do any better, just stating that his defense isn't helping make up for his lack of offense. Personally I'm upset that we traded shoppach for bard, at least shoppach was a good defensive catcher.
Zudnic
04-27-2006, 01:02 PM
Boggs went with a Sox hat I believe.http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/boggs_wade.htm
Yup.
I thought when he signed with the Devil Rays it was in his contract that he would go in as a Devil Ray. Apparently that either wasn't true or wasn't his call.
I thought when he signed with the Devil Rays it was in his contract that he would go in as a Devil Ray. Apparently that either wasn't true or wasn't his call.
I believe you're correct about that being in his contract, which technically was fine at the time. But in 2001 (after Boggs retired but before his induction) they changed things because of Winfield. So it was no longer his call when he actually went in.
Yes Bard has 4 singles and a double in 17 at bats. 3 of the singles were little bloops that just barely fell between infield and outfield. I agree that Tek isn't looking like himself, but you can't say he is worse than Bard up there. Bard, as of right now, has been overmatched facing major league pitching this season. He is also averaging 2 passed balls per game.To this point in the season, I absolutely can say that Tek has been worse than Bard (other than power-wise, their Slugging Percentages are about equal because of the home run). I can say that Bard is not one of the reasons that the team hasn't provided as much run support for Wakefield as they have for other pitchers (which was the gist of the original question). Also, his passed balls have nothing to do with run support for Wakefield.
I'm not really trying to argue with you. My inclination would have been exactly the same, that he is part of the problem. I just happened to notice in the Globe this morning that our perception doesn't match reality.
Rover
04-27-2006, 01:54 PM
Sox were clearly caught off guard when Flaherty quit. I'd have to assume he was the option. Having said that though, backup catchers can't be that hard to find. What's Fisk doing these days?
As far as the rotation goes, I know this is blasphemy but they might want to seriously consider moving Papelbon back into the rotation. With Foulke starting to right himself again I'd give it another month and then see if he's still solid. If so there's a glaring need for a 3rd starter and you don't need two closers.
Wakefield will eventually pitch well when atmospheric conditions allow for his knuckleball to float again. I'm not optimistic about Wells and DiNardo is a spot starter/long reliever. Unless Clemens is on his way something needs to be done as the team goes deeper into the season.
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