The Official Thread of the 2006 Boston Red Sox

[Rolevio]

All talk around opening day was that DiNardo would be the one sent down once Wells was back, With how the first week has shaped up I don't see any reason for that to change. ESPN had a pretty good article a couple days ago about teams that stock left handed relief versus those that keep none.

I'm more concerned with Stern and Mohr. Rumor was that Stern would be sent down after fulfilling hsi 17 day Rule V obligation, and that Mohr would be brought up because of a clause in his contract that he could opt out if he wasn't with the major league club for so many days in April. I wonder how Crisp's and possibly Nixon's injuries affect that.

[Haunted]

I think it's just a matter of keeping another arm in the pen until Wells comes off the DL. You can't tell me DiNardo would have made the team over Papelbon if Wells' roster spot wasn't available. It doesn't make sense.
I realize I'm arguing logic with illogic. But I got nothing else, really. The point is that Arroyo was the most expendable/tradeable player they had. And they moved him for a guy with virtually zero downside and a huge potential upside. Only time will tell whether it was worth it.

[Haunted]

I'm more concerned with Stern and Mohr. Rumor was that Stern would be sent down after fulfilling hsi 17 day Rule V obligation, and that Mohr would be brought up because of a clause in his contract that he could opt out if he wasn't with the major league club for so many days in April. I wonder how Crisp's and possibly Nixon's injuries affect that.
Depending on Trot's injury, I don't think either will be a problem. Considering how well Stern's been playing, I don't see a huge dropoff (for now) either.

[North Star]

Papi and Pape were great today. I just watched the highlights.

[Pal]

The point is that Arroyo was the most expendable/tradeable player they had. And they moved him for a guy with virtually zero downside and a huge potential upside. Only time will tell whether it was worth it.

And I'm not arguing against the trade. It's way to early to know whether it was good or bad. My argument was with the suggestion that Arroyo was moved to make room for Papelbon, when Papelbon would have been on the big club either way.

[BC ZamboniGuy Cult]

Okay, we'll see what happens.

That's all I'm asking. Even if Pena ends up being a failure, losing Arroyo really won't hurt the rotation or the bullpen.

[BC ZamboniGuy Cult]

...and a monster home run swing.


Absolutely. I saw the cuts he took in Saturday's game, and if any of those had connected, they'd still be up in the air.

One of the biggest ovations of the night was for when Wily actually took a pitch. :D

[Blackout]

So who goes down if Arroyo was here when Wells is healthy?

Again, DiNardo would have been here because he has the most expendable options left. They would have no choice but to send Papelbon down. Riske/Tavarez/Timlin/Foulke/Arroyo/seanez would have been the pen.

Duh.

People forget Youk spent a ton of time in Pawtcuket because they wanted him playing, not sitting. Why do you think Lester/Delcarmen/Alvarez and to an extent, Meredith are in AAA? If we were Tampa they'd be in the majors.

[Haunted]

People forget Youk spent a ton of time in Pawtcuket because they wanted him playing, not sitting. Why do you think Lester/Delcarmen/Alvarez and to an extent, Meredith are in AAA? If we were Tampa they'd be in the majors.
Well, with Meredith, he's proven he nowhere near ready for the big time.

And if we were Tampa Bay, we'd already be mathematically eliminated. ;)

[UMO Better Blues]

Can I just go on record as stating I love Papelbon interviews? The kid just seems so at ease beyond his rookie status. I heard him in studio on a local station in Portland in Dec. or Jan. and came away really impressed with his confidence. Nothing he has said (or done) since the season started has chnaged that. It will certainly be interesting to see how he handles a blown save or a bad streak, but it appears he has poise beyond his years. I'm just psyched to watch this kid pitch.

Arroyo for WMP you do every day. Several posters have made the point that Bronson just didn't have a place in Boston and that's true. There'll likely come a time when they need a spot start or two, but here it is the second week of the year ans they're already down 2/3rds of their OF. The pro and con of WMP is that he is excessively raw. By all accounts, he should have spent the vast majority of the past couple seasons in the minors. Due to option issues, we need to watch him mature on the MLB level. It will be ugly at times (like today), but with a little support and training, he could turn into a monster.I just hope he gets both. [ / WMP Rant]

[Pal]

So who goes down if Arroyo was here when Wells is healthy?

Again, DiNardo would have been here because he has the most expendable options left. They would have no choice but to send Papelbon down. Riske/Tavarez/Timlin/Foulke/Arroyo/seanez would have been the pen.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost positive this is DiNardo's third option year, meaning they can send him back to Pawtucket whenever they want this season.

[Westfield Eagle]

...and a monster home run swing.

And now with Coco hurt, and Nixon tweaking something, we're glad we have another outfielder that can swing the bat a little bit.

ya, now if we only had an outfielder who could make contact :p

whoever said papelbon would be in AAA if arroyo was still on the sox??? are you kidding me? there was no chance of that happening.

i just hope it works out for both teams because i like arroyo. i know he liked it here and hopefully he'll come back somewhere down the line.

homeruns:

arroyo 2
pena -1

:D

[Westfield Eagle]

So who goes down if Arroyo was here when Wells is healthy?

Again, DiNardo would have been here because he has the most expendable options left. They would have no choice but to send Papelbon down. Riske/Tavarez/Timlin/Foulke/Arroyo/seanez would have been the pen.

Duh.

People forget Youk spent a ton of time in Pawtcuket because they wanted him playing, not sitting. Why do you think Lester/Delcarmen/Alvarez and to an extent, Meredith are in AAA? If we were Tampa they'd be in the majors.

the sox wouldn't have signed/acquired one of those other guys (tavarez, seanez, riske) if they weren't going to trade arroyo. sorry, but after the way papelbon pitched at the end of last year there is no chance in hell he would be in pawtucket this year. it makes absolutely no sense.

[kennedy]

Meredith pitched really well two nights ago in relief.

Arroyo's homerun LEFT Wrigley. The thing went a good 50 feet further than Derrek Lee's did later in the game. And how bad must you feel if you're Glendon Rusch, who has given up BOTH of them? Arroyo now has more home runs than times Pena has made contact.

[Mark Laliberte]

I agree with those that say you make this trade 10 out of 10 times. WMP is raw, but has the ability in a couple of years to be a monster. He has the right environment to grow in, where he doesn't need to be "the man" right now. If he can ever get it together, this deal is a bargain.

As for Arroyo, I am very happy for him and think he'll be a stud on a lousy pitching staff. That said, a change of scenery can be great for some people. Here he's a five (or a long reliever) in Boston, there he can be a one. He's older and he needs the opportunity to be "the man."

[Blackout]

ya, now if we only had an outfielder who could make contact :p

whoever said papelbon would be in AAA if arroyo was still on the sox??? are you kidding me? there was no chance of that happening.
:D

I provided reasoning for my argument. Next time try doing the same. They would have had to take Riske and Tavarez. Seanez was a signing, true, but I still think they would have done it. There was no guarentee they were making any trades.

Meredith may have looked bad in his first MLB game, but he was jittery. He had no control, and then gave up a 310' GS if I remember right.

I also remember Ron Villone going absolutely insane.

[Westfield Eagle]

I provided reasoning for my argument. Next time try doing the same. They would have had to take Riske and Tavarez. Seanez was a signing, true, but I still think they would have done it. There was no guarentee they were making any trades.

I gave reasoning as well. You said you "think" they would have signed Seanez. I "think" there was no chance in hell of Papelbon being in Triple A. None. He showed them enough at the end of last year to guarantee him a spot on the roster. Plus everyone has been talking about him as being in the mix for this year as either a starter or in the bullpen. You're the only person I've seen think he would possibly end up in Triple A.

[Blackout]

You just said it makes no sense. Again, tell me who'd be in AAA over him with this team. Seanez was signed before Arroyo was traded, and there as 0 guarentee a trade would be made.

The Arroyo trade was a good one. Oh, and for anyone saying 'Arroyo has more homers than Wily Mo', isnt that also true for Manny?

[BC ZamboniGuy Cult]

i just hope it works out for both teams because i like arroyo. i know he liked it here and hopefully he'll come back somewhere down the line.

It's a pretty good gig for Bronson when you think about it. He gets to be an ace, and he's closer to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. :D

[thecomicbookguy]

Anyone who brings up Arroyo's two home runs in a discussion about the trade is not worth arguing with - either they aren't taking the discussion seriously, or they are an idiot.