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scores
10-23-2005, 09:10 AM
Okay,
What school will be the next one to add w-hockey d1 program??
Will it be in the east??? umass or will michigan or Colorado jump in???
MICZamboni
10-23-2005, 09:21 AM
Okay,
What school will be the next one to add w-hockey d1 program??
Will it be in the east??? umass or will michigan or Colorado jump in???
As long as Red is at Michigan, they will not have a women's varsity program. I would have to say UMass is a lock based on the fact that Joe Bertagna is actively building the women's side of Hockey East.
As long as there is a Republican Governor you won't see UMass adding it. Right now UMass has more women's teams than men's, so they have no Title IX issues that otherwise might result in the school looking at a sport like hockey to be added.
The most likely to add will be a smaller private institution that is looking to increase their profile or meet Title IX requirements, or a smaller state school that is moving up to D1 in all sports. I think there is a higher likelihood of a WCHA school like Colorado adding, than there would be of say a Hockey East school like Merrimack.
Rhode Island, which has solid club teams, is often mentioned as the "most likely" but they have serious budget issues so I don't see it happening anytime soon. Were it not for the " No more D3 schools playing a D1 sport" rule I think there would be a possibility of a Middlebury or St. Ans' making a move to D1.
Notre Dame's still only playing club hockey aren't they? The CHA could use another team or two to make them a real league.
I think for Colorado College to join, they'd need Denver to start up at the same time, to give them some sort of rivalry and a way to draw people. Those two would actually make the WCHA a 10 team league same as the men's side.
On the subject of new teams.. RPI hasn't lost in their first 6 D1 games. 5-0-1 with better competition coming soon.
Gibber
10-23-2005, 12:16 PM
Were it not for the " No more D3 schools playing a D1 sport" rule I think there would be a possibility of a Middlebury or St. Ans' making a move to D1.
Is it no more D3 schools PLAYING a D1 sport, or giving scholarships for a D1 sport? (I'm not clear on that, but that was my uneducated assumption)
Sort of on subject of the D3 schools with D1 sports is the letter that the 8 D3 schools with a D1 sport wrote to the NCAA governing body back in December 03. The letter concerned the repeal of the agreement allowing those schools to offer scholarships for their D1 sports.
http://www.ncaa.org/news/2003/20031222/editorial/4026n37.html
I don't remember exactly how this all worked out or if they're still in red tape on that whole issue.
Ralph Baer
10-23-2005, 01:36 PM
Is it no more D3 schools PLAYING a D1 sport, or giving scholarships for a D1 sport? (I'm not clear on that, but that was my uneducated assumption)
It's scholarships. Remember that RIT, a D-3, moved its men's program to D-I this year.
camman15
10-23-2005, 01:37 PM
As long as there is a Republican Governor you won't see UMass adding it. Right now UMass has more women's teams than men's, so they have no Title IX issues that otherwise might result in the school looking at a sport like hockey to be added.
You are partially correct but one must remember the number of sports being offered is only the start to being compliant with the partipation rate with regard to the male/female student ratio of greater importance,.....there have been others who have commented on this issue, how school try to skirt the compliance all the time, and it's sad the students don't understand their rights within the law,......I'm not so sure the governor of Massachusetts is putting the "whammy" on this idea,.....I would venture to guess that all it would take is some of the "boys on Beacon Hill" to get this thing going, but then again, I'm not a politician,.....where's Billy B. when we need him?,.....
You are partially correct but one must remember the number of sports being offered is only the start to being compliant with the partipation rate with regard to the male/female student ratio of greater importance,.....there have been others who have commented on this issue, how school try to skirt the compliance all the time, and it's sad the students don't understand their rights within the law,......I'm not so sure the governor of Massachusetts is putting the "whammy" on this idea,.....I would venture to guess that all it would take is some of the "boys on Beacon Hill" to get this thing going, but then again, I'm not a politician,.....where's Billy B. when we need him?,.....
I despised Bulger for all his games, machinations and power plays when he was on the hill, but man he was great for UMass when he was Chancellor, or President or whatever they called him. Who cares if he had an outrageous office downtown, he got money flowing to the school. Unfortunately Twit Romney had a hardon against him and sent him packing.
The problem with the boys on Beacon Hill is that they all went to BC, Harvard, Yale or Suffolk law schools and could care less about UMass. Romney isn't putting the whammy on hockey, he is putting the whammy on anything that involves spending taxpayer money. He is all about slash and burn so he can run for president in '08 and say how much he cut, how he didn't raise taxes etc.
Frankly, I wouldn't expect to see women's hockey until there has been some sort of economic boon in the state that has the coffers overflowing.
futurestar
10-25-2005, 05:06 PM
Is there really any interest at Syracuse? The AD was quoted saying that Woman's Hockey would be a good fit.
As far as UMass is concerned, They are sandwiched in between two popular New England programs (UNH and UCONN) and I'm not sure that they would get the fan base. UMass Boston has developed a fairly decent program, although only the students and those who follow DIII hockey know that it exists. SlashandBurn Romney doesn't help either! Overall, there is no real groundswell of support for DI woman's hockey in Amherst.
hockeyyfan
10-25-2005, 05:59 PM
Is there really any interest at Syracuse? The AD was quoted saying that Woman's Hockey would be a good fit.
As far as UMass is concerned, They are sandwiched in between two popular New England programs (UNH and UCONN) and I'm not sure that they would get the fan base. UMass Boston has developed a fairly decent program, although only the students and those who follow DIII hockey know that it exists. SlashandBurn Romney doesn't help either! Overall, there is no real groundswell of support for DI woman's hockey in Amherst. They (UMASS) have a good club program but with all the hockey in the area it would be great to see it go varsity. Lot's of prep schools within 60 miles or so to draw from. And it's a great school as well.
Syracuse would be great becasue it would give everyone in the northeast ANOTHER reason to dis SU.......but it really would fit in well.
scoopandroll
10-26-2005, 03:32 PM
Look for Penn State and URI in the future. D3 - Oswego St., Norwich, and Becker College.
Larry R
10-26-2005, 05:38 PM
Frankly, I wouldn't expect to see women's hockey until there has been some sort of economic boon in the state that has the coffers overflowing.
Wouldn't blowing up the "Big Dig" and just giving up driving in Boston cover that? The budget savings alone there would cover all that and more :)
Black Bear Maniac
10-26-2005, 09:21 PM
what about Merrimack? Any talk around campus. Vermonts entrance into HE may have been the signal Merrimack isn't ready to begin the journey. :)
futurestar
10-27-2005, 07:38 AM
Look for Penn State and URI in the future. D3 - Oswego St., Norwich, and Becker College.
URI with that great new rink would be a wonderful addition. They could draw from players from Polar Bear country as well as Southern Mass. I may send an email to the AD!
AlaskaRox
10-29-2005, 02:43 AM
What normally are the prerequesettes for selecting a new DI, II, or III woman's team?
Arena availability?
Attendance of the college?
Another question.. :D ...We have a lot of girls from Alaska heading off to play in Vermont for high school lately. Has anyone heard of this place? http://www.winter-hawks.org/
The highschools in Anchorage added girl's hockey 4 years ago... It's growing more and more every year! :) :p
Ironman33
10-29-2005, 08:58 AM
This is always a fun topic...
First Notre Dame...why would they go into the CHA??? to play who? their great rivals Wayne St and Mercyhurst. Their location is pretty set up for the WCHA if they went D-I,which they won't for a while. ND, U-M and MSU will all go together(within one year or so or each other), the hold up...space availablity, None of the rinks on their campuses can house two teams. They are all old buildings that "can't" be retrofitted. The second problem is the operating budget of other comparable teams (OSU and Minnesota), it is hard to justify adding $1 million bucks to a non-revenue sport, as well as spending a fortune on a new rink . Now do I think these three school schould have it...of course, but the reality is it is expensive with no return on investment (Which is why Crew and water polo are added more regularly). Penn St. , I don't think they even in consideration at the university admin level. Their travel costs would be even more outrageous than OSU's and don;t think for a second that the AD of a Big Ten would play in the CHA, and not against other Big Ten's (not calling for a big ten conference), but these schools are somewhat snobbish about it. If MSU, ND, U-M, and PSU added, I could see a CCHA for women with OSU and the CHA teams much like the CCHA for men with Big Ten and D-I hockey at D-II-III schools (Ferris, NMU, etc) in a combined conference to ease up the schedule in the WCHA.
My best bet based upon current features and school ability would be URI (have the rink, the infrstraucture, the team is "overseen" from the athletic department, but the New AD is not a hockey guy, although he is from UCONN, (I think and if memory serves me correctly, he was there when the moved women's hockey forward). The other one is Lindenwood, they are an NAIA school, that is trying to make the jump (currently club), they recruit and the athletic department runs the program, and I think they did present the option to the NCAA last year. Also, RIT will move up, if it hasn't been announced it will be soon.
Oddly enough, I also think that if UBuffalo is forced to drop D-I football(due to lagging attendance),they will add Mens and Women's hockey in its place (which is what they should have done in the first place)
D-III my best bets after Oswego..are...Norwich and Brockport...Norwich ...why not... they have the rink and the $$, a D-III program is not excessively expensive especially in the northeast. Brockport...female AD, putting more emphasis on sports school wide, have the rink, have a close league to play in, this has been on the radar for a couple of years, actually I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Just my $.02 (and its all I'd bet on any of these predictions)
hockeyyfan
10-29-2005, 02:00 PM
What normally are the prerequesettes for selecting a new DI, II, or III woman's team?
Another question.. :D ...We have a lot of girls from Alaska heading off to play in Vermont for high school lately. Has anyone heard of this place? http://www.winter-hawks.org/
North American Hockey Academy....it's like they've done for skiing since the '60s...you actually attend your high school, leave in Oct for VT, but have tutors and live and play hockey in Stowe, your academic work is monitored by your HS and you go back in March. Bill Driscoll runs a good program and has a solid relationship with the colleges.
I mentioned Notre Dame in a league OTHER than the WCHA because of all their problems when they wanted to move their men's team into the WCHA in the early or middle 90's.
Does the Joyce Center only have 2 total locker rooms then? I know they get $9 million or more every year from NBC (through 2010 now) for their football team's broadcast rights. A portion of it is used for scholarships for non-varsity I know, but you know they aren't even close to losing money in their athletic department as a whole. Who knows what kind of support their team would get from a fan base. 700-800 people wouldn't look nearly as empty in their 2700 seat arena as it does in some places. I've got nothing against their football team either.. I do turn their games on when there's a big game on. The only realthing holding them up from turning their 'club' team into a D1 team is opponents?
Water polo? ohhh boy :rolleyes: (j/k.. they can play whatever they want)
scores
10-31-2005, 12:42 AM
I think the east is moving faster than the teams out west/midwest whatever and I do believe these schools make huge $$$'s on football/hoop .. hockey well it's supported by the students at least when I played more students showed up for the hockey games than the hoop team and they were good.
I hope everyone that backs w-college hockey here on this board attends a game this year I will just because my daughter plays other than that to be honest I would not.
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