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Bill-R-
10-22-2005, 08:19 PM
Buffalo 3
Sountern Maine 0
Still no score on the Chatty/Platty game.
Bill-R-
10-22-2005, 08:50 PM
Plattsburgh 10
Chatham 1
Final Score
MICZamboni
10-22-2005, 09:49 PM
Plattsburgh 10
Chatham 1
Final Score
Chatham was outshot 111-14. Oh dear god!!!!!
stetem
10-22-2005, 10:30 PM
Chatham was outshot 111-14. Oh dear god!!!!!
That poor goalie.. or goalies
thats pretty much the equilvalent of 4 games condensed into 60 minutes
dear God is right! Good to see Platty didn't try to run up the score!
camman15
10-23-2005, 07:38 AM
dear God is right! Good to see Platty didn't try to run up the score!
I guess I'd like to take a look at the shot charts and see just who was involved before I say Plattsburgh didn't run it up,.....if it's the fourth line that did all the damage that's one thing, but if it was one of those "we'll just roll'em, meaning the lines, then many would have an issue with the "Platty" performance,......the ECAC needs to take a look at this type of scheduling "stupidity" and do something about it,.....nobody, absolutely nobody gets anything out of this type of debacle,.....and I guess there are people out there that will blame Tara for this also,.....
scillacc
10-23-2005, 08:24 AM
Hey,
111 shots and the goalie only let in 10? Chatham had 14 shots and got 1 in. Sounds like the percentages are about the same? But anyhow.. first game and all, at least they scored. I wish I could have seen the game, but alas, I am too far away. Today is another game. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Chatham can make it a closer game. (don't forget, they only have 5 original players from last year, all the rest are freshmen)
Don't forget, Chatham has a new coach, Lainie Wintrup, lets see how she plays out.
KEEP PLUGGING AWAY COUGARS!!
polarbear2
10-23-2005, 08:26 AM
Hey,
111 shots and the goalie only let in 10? Chatham had 14 shots and got 1 in. Sounds like the percentages are about the same? But anyhow.. first game and all, at least they scored. I wish I could have seen the game, but alas, I am too far away. Today is another game. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Chatham can make it a closer game. (don't forget, they only have 5 original players from last year, all the rest are freshmen)
Don't forget, Chatham has a new coach, Lainie Wintrup, lets see how she plays out.
KEEP PLUGGING AWAY COUGARS!!
I agree..I'm rooting for them!!!!
stetem
10-23-2005, 08:52 AM
I guess I'd like to take a look at the shot charts and see just who was involved before I say Plattsburgh didn't run it up,.....if it's the fourth line that did all the damage that's one thing, but if it was one of those "we'll just roll'em, meaning the lines, then many would have an issue with the "Platty" performance,......the ECAC needs to take a look at this type of scheduling "stupidity" and do something about it,.....nobody, absolutely nobody gets anything out of this type of debacle,.....and I guess there are people out there that will blame Tara for this also,.....
I would guess tha Platty could have easily scored 20
How would you suggest the ECAC schedule
And who is Tara.. and why would you blame anybody
camman15
10-23-2005, 09:45 AM
How would you suggest the ECAC schedule?
Honestly, I don't know, but it doesn't make sense to me that these games take place with so much frequency in Division III,.....
kustomice
10-23-2005, 12:32 PM
I don't think it is a schedule thing. There are just too many teams that for what ever reason do not compete. Why does the NCAA continue to allow teams as weak as Chatham to play at a "varsity" level?
PrezdeJohnson09
10-23-2005, 12:55 PM
I don't think it is a schedule thing. There are just too many teams that for what ever reason do not compete. Why does the NCAA continue to allow teams as weak as Chatham to play at a "varsity" level?
why should they? thats absurb to deny the right of a college to play an intercollegiate sport. Thats exactly why the NCAA does not and CANNOT deny them the right to play hockey if the school puts forth the money and is abiding by all the NCAA guidelines. There are Chatham's in all D3 and D1 sports. What would all the top D1 basketball and football schools do if they couldnt schedule creampuffs in their first 1 or 2 games for the football schools and like 5 or 6 for the basketball schools?
The point is that the NCAA needs the Temple's and Buffalo's in football and the Longwood's and Davidson's in Basketball to run successfully.
For some schools yes, they may choose to not support a program as much as other programs that the school centers around. For instance, hockey at Oswego State takes up a majority of the athletic budget and a school like Johns Hopkins for lacrosse would take up a majority of their budget.
However, there are schools that just CAN'T compete. What kind of recruiting tools does a program like Chatham have? They are the southernmost D3 hockey school along with Neumann who also struggled immensely during their first few seasons as a varsity team. Once they couldnt even field a complete roster and had to forfeit to Elmira. Chatham has no hockey tradition and it is an small, private all girl's school. What kind of recruiting draws do you have? pretty much none.
So instead of just saying Chatham shouldnt be allowed to play because they choose not to compete, Lets think about things a little bit more and ask yourself the question of...what would make my daughter (living in Canada) want to come all the way down to little Chatham instead of going to an established hockey power and closer Middlebury, Elmira, Plattsburgh, Manhattanville, Bowdoin?
polarbear2
10-23-2005, 12:59 PM
The point is that the NCAA needs the Temple's and Buffalo's in football and the Longwood's and Davidson's in Basketball to run successfully.
exactly right, and for the schools in that unfortunate position..there's always tomorrow, or next season...that's the beauty of sport!! Every team cannot be competitive with every other team....
stilloffside
10-23-2005, 01:01 PM
Chatham, Salve Regina, Castleton State, Vermont and Union in the ECAC D1. There are just some teams (and coaches) that do not seem to put the effort into recruiting for what ever reason. It may be one of the most embarrassing things for these Coach to actually have their records over the past 3 years be announced. Salve Regina (7, 59, 3) Castleton State (3, 22, 0), Union (9, 50, 2) Vermont 11, 51, 6). Athletic Directors, why do these coaches still have jobs? Where is the pride in your programs?
It is not the NCAA's responsibility to make an even playing field for teams, it is up to the teams themselves to be better and play at a competitive level.
starsparents
10-23-2005, 01:36 PM
I am with stilloffsides on this. Vermont, to me is incredible. A great school, a great tradition, and been around a long time, and still looks like it cannot beat middle of the road Division 3 programs. Although, at times, they tie a good Division 1 team, although outshot miserably. Union??? I give a pass to , as they are sort of new to Division 1 hockey, although the coach has a lot of exposure to prospects, so that may change. Chatham, Salve, yes, weak, and not improving. Castleton?? again, new program. Regarding Plattsburgh, no doubt, its a game they do not want to play. Its a long bus ride, and they get nothing out of it. Regarding running the score? The coach has to do whats best for his team, and if he used it to work on things, or look at lines, or whatever, thats his thing. The ride, expense, is a waste for them, unless the coaches find a way to get something out of it, and work on things, etc.
In light of Chathams forfeit last year for lack of a goalie, and their constant short bench situation, it should be looked into. I have no idea how that works, but perhaps putting them into a club setting until they can get it together may help. I do not think they can do much about drawing in recruits with the program going the way its going.
kustomice
10-23-2005, 01:42 PM
why should they? thats absurb to deny the right of a college to play an intercollegiate sport. Thats exactly why the NCAA does not and CANNOT deny them the right to play hockey if the school puts forth the money and is abiding by all the NCAA guidelines. There are Chatham's in all D3 and D1 sports. What would all the top D1 basketball and football schools do if they couldnt schedule creampuffs in their first 1 or 2 games for the football schools and like 5 or 6 for the basketball schools?
The point is that the NCAA needs the Temple's and Buffalo's in football and the Longwood's and Davidson's in Basketball to run successfully.
For some schools yes, they may choose to not support a program as much as other programs that the school centers around. For instance, hockey at Oswego State takes up a majority of the athletic budget and a school like Johns Hopkins for lacrosse would take up a majority of their budget.
However, there are schools that just CAN'T compete. What kind of recruiting tools does a program like Chatham have? They are the southernmost D3 hockey school along with Neumann who also struggled immensely during their first few seasons as a varsity team. Once they couldnt even field a complete roster and had to forfeit to Elmira. Chatham has no hockey tradition and it is an small, private all girl's school. What kind of recruiting draws do you have? pretty much none.
So instead of just saying Chatham shouldnt be allowed to play because they choose not to compete, Lets think about things a little bit more and ask yourself the question of...what would make my daughter (living in Canada) want to come all the way down to little Chatham instead of going to an established hockey power and closer Middlebury, Elmira, Plattsburgh, Manhattanville, Bowdoin?
I under stand there will always be weaker teams and that it is natural at any level, but we are talking about a team that gave up 110 shots in one game. Do you think the NCAA would allow a football team to remain at a varsity level if they were out rushed by the same factor?
This type of one-sided contest does not benefit either teams players nor does it promote the game of women’s hockey in general. The only party who gains anything is the institution that gets to claim to have a Varsity womens sport. I am not saying that these schools should not be allowed to play hockey, but they should play teams of at least semi comparable abilities. With all the emerging talent in women’s hockey I can't understand why anyone would excuse a school for putting a less than competitive team into a varsity uniform.
OhiohockeyDad
10-23-2005, 01:59 PM
Stetem...Tara was Chatham's old coach, let go this summer- the ironic part was this year is the first real recruiting class Chatham has ever really had (a few players the year before)- so you wonder how many other players didn't enroll after she was gone?? As camman said, some will still think it's her fault.
PJ09 (the artist formerly known as P&G10!!) , was right in a lot of ways, with Chatham's drawbacks with recruiting, but I don't think he was right with the 'living in Canada' comment- just because it worked for the Eagles, doesn't mean it's the only way to go.
The reality is before Tara was there, no recruiting happened, I know girls that were trying to get info on the school/program and were rebuffed ...hint- read their own page on their website about player/coach contact, it actually states NCAA rules wrong...
At least Tara tryed- don't know the new coach, but there was a pretty strong tournament 2 hrs away a few weeks ago (lots of MWEHL teams, East Coast teams,Canadian teams, Minnesota teams, etc.) and she wasn't there........
On the bright side for Chatham- this game would have been 30-0 two years ago with that many shots (at least), so hopefully, they are improving instead of slipping farther down the abyss....
Go Cougars.....I feel for you...
OhiohockeyDad
10-23-2005, 02:02 PM
Kustomice....in fact the NCAA would, the only stipulation with the NCAA to bump a program down in football is ATTENDANCE!!! Which really enforces what the NCAA is all about......... :eek:
kustomice
10-23-2005, 02:12 PM
Kustomice....in fact the NCAA would, the only stipulation with the NCAA to bump a program down in football is ATTENDANCE!!! Which really enforces what the NCAA is all about......... :eek:
SAD!
But does it ever happen? Does varsity football or basketball have such lopsided games on a regular basis? Do such games actually draw fans?
PrezdeJohnson09
10-23-2005, 02:22 PM
SAD!
But does it ever happen? Does varsity football or basketball have such lopsided games on a regular basis? Do such games actually draw fans?
Michigan Footballl's attendance for their game against Northern Illinois this year- 110,971 (capacity- 111,000)
Texas's attendance for their game against Louisiana Lafayette (63-7 win) this year- 82,971 (capacity- 85,000)
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