colgate/providence

[pal7]

Providence out shoots colgate 45 to 19 and can't come away with the win?
Colgate's goalie had a stellar game and Providence just did ok...

what is with this team anyway...they have a habit of out shooting their opponents and then coming away with a loss or a tie...Deraney is a fine coach but there is something wrong with the picture..the providence girls better step up to the plate in my opinion. That team is "over loaded" with talent and should definetly be doing better than they have been for the last 2 yrs.

[cavbim]

. That team is "over loaded" with talent and should definetly be doing better than they have been for the last 2 yrs.

I disagree with you.

This is an extremely young team. There are 7 junior/seniors. Still is a very small roster though today was the first time since Hockey East formed he has been able to dress 18 skaters.

I would say that if Bugden gets to form soon w/ her in nets its a step up from Thomas. However they lost loads of experience in particular on the defense. This team is going to take a while to hit on all cylinders.

What I thought they did very well that last year's team didn't do was get into the offensive flow. None of the graduated seniors were offensive minded. The two Canadian defensemen are a going concern and I thought Simpson show much more then she showed against Toronto in the exhibition and Normore is a player. I was also impressed with the confidence Malboeuf displayed handling the puck. They also did well not taking penalties fustrating penalties except for the double minor Gigliotti took.

Up front I think the first line was pressing. Thatcher knew Benny was sitting over the net, not sure how that affected how she and her linemates prepared for the game. Further I still think Payton has not shown the form she showed pre wrist injury junior year. She still hasn't gotten her hockey sense up to speed yet, as I've noted before she missed 75% of PC's games since Thanksgiving of her junior year.

I thought they moved the puck well, again in particular the defense, up to the point they wanted to set up the last pass. Each seemed to really want to find the shot but felt they had to pass.

This was also 2nd lines first game together as Crissy made her debut and she seemed to play very well. but the continuity wasn't there. Keilch, Hendrickson and Lomond look to be the checking line and they did what they were asked to do. I think the change will come when the freshman, who really aren't impact freshman, who make up the 4th line adjust. Then he can shuffle his lines a bit and balance things a little better.

Of course all that is out the window if Thatcher leaves.

Also don't like senior day at the end of the year, it seems much more emotional for the women then the men and guarantees a sluggish start. Even worse are banner days. Drag out the pre game ceremony, add the extra distraction of having the seniors back and this year all 6 who finished the year were there.

Of the past 3 slow starts when they had the players to finish strong each year had its own challenge. Year one of Hockey East the team just couldn't figure how to win the close non league games which would have got them a higher national ranking. They tied 6 games that year and lost 3 one goal games. Year 2 probably is the most fustrating. They junked the 3 back setup midyear but even that made sense to take advantage of Kelli's talents--she was an attacker. Last year they never had a chance. He basically lost his top goalie from day 1, had Payton go down for the year, lost a player to academics, another player couldn't come back from a previous injury, multiple game injuries to Thatcher and Watrous, plus a large assortment of other minor injuries. The lone break was they were as healthy as they could be down the stretch.

[pal7]

they maybe young this year..but what has been going on for the past few years? Dehraney has had the pick of the crop for sometime now, even though he has had bad luck in goaltending.

Bugden played 31 games in 02/03...got hurt so that put her out of action for a while...then the whole team fell out of bed in 03/04 with the rash of out shooting the opponents severly and loosing...goaltending i am sure was a factor...then 04/05 again several games that were obviously in Providences favor, speed and talent wise...example...11/04 yale/25 shots..Prov/40 shots..
the friars loose 5-1...1/05 niagara 28shots...prov 56..they loose again 5-4 in OT ....2/05 bc 19shots..prov 43...another lose 4-1...

And it looks like the trend is continuing this year...
Don't know how Bugden is doing on rehab..but the whole team needs to get a hunger to win..Dehraney may want to try and split time with the new freshmen goaltender until net rights have been established..even though Bugden is just returning to the crease in her senior year and I am sure the coach wants to make it up to her for missing time with an injury...

[cavbim]

they maybe young this year..but what has been going on for the past few years? Dehraney has had the pick of the crop for sometime now, even though he has had bad luck in goaltending..

1. Bad luck in goaltending? In the 4 year run Jana was pretty solid the 2 years she played regularly. They were shaky the ECAC East year till Quinlan got hot in the playoffs but really both Quinlan and Thomas were recruited hurriedly when Sara left a year early and Nichols didn't work out.

2. Pick of the crop???


Bugden played 31 games in 02/03...got hurt so that put her out of action for a while...then the whole team fell out of bed in 03/04 with the rash of out shooting the opponents severly and loosing...goaltending i am sure was a factor...then 04/05 again several games that were obviously in Providences favor, speed and talent wise...example...11/04 yale/25 shots..Prov/40 shots..
the friars loose 5-1...1/05 niagara 28shots...prov 56..they loose again 5-4 in OT ....2/05 bc 19shots..prov 43...another lose 4-1.....

Jana only missed last year. The 28 games she played in her soph year was more due to a conscious effort to give Quinlan some playing time and Jana did miss a weekend to go to Germany with Canada U22.

As noted below began the 03-04 using the 3 back system but ended the season scrapping it and going 14-2 down the stretch. If you are complaining he stuck with the system too long maybe you have an argument. However when you best offensive threat is a defenseman you build your offense to take advantage of her skills. The point of the system was one of the 3 backs would jump up front when the opportunity beckoned. Let's face it whether you employed that system or a tradition one Kelli was going to jump up front

I don't know if you are just quoting stats or you saw them play last year. However beyond the depth issue they were 2 different teams. Everything revolved around how they percieved how Thomas was playing. The Yale game you mentioned was a road game I didn't see but someone who went said Thomas couldn't have stopped a beach ball that day (also note that was during the time Thatcher was out with appendicitis). The BC game Thomas looked shakey all game long and again she imploded in the 3rd but you just sensed the team was looking over their shoulders fearing she could not bail them out. They were afraid to really attack. The BC game before the break and the last UNH game at Scheinder were other examples where the team did score until they saw her falter, then they fell back on their heels to protect her, stopped skating and compounded the problem for her by taking the inevitable clutch and hold penalties.


And it looks like the trend is continuing this year...
Don't know how Bugden is doing on rehab..but the whole team needs to get a hunger to win..Dehraney may want to try and split time with the new freshmen goaltender until net rights have been established..even though Bugden is just returning to the crease in her senior year and I am sure the coach wants to make it up to her for missing time with an injury...

Yeah 2 games in where he is reorganizing his defense. Gryp, Bourgette and Amrheim were not offensive defensemen. Funny they picked up their play when Smith acclimated herself to the college game and Gigliotti figured how she could best fulfill her role. Now you are asking 3 more freshmen and a sophomore who got limited ice time to do the same thing. If they mature the attack will be transistioned by these players. I think to an extent they have to learn how to get their shots close to the net to create rebounds and not be blocked, Smith does this well but she didn't do it last Oct either. Maybe give a little credit to the Colgate goalie there were no 2nd chances. Beyond that as I mentioned I thought the 1st line was the line that had the problems. Clearly Thatcher was distracted, Payton is nowhere near the level she was at yet her sophomore year and Watrous did try to shoulder the load when things bogged down but her efforts really were solo. I'll be patient

Now for goalie Jana's been a workhorse for 2 years why change it theoretically she's back next year so you have plenty of time to get Scott ready. Further if she's my #1 I want her to work off the rust now.

[pal7]

i wasn't looking for a disection on my last post..but, if you are saying i never saw them play you are wrong. If you are out shooting people and still loosing games you have a problem in goal, it is that simple...

you say they were afraid to attack in the BC game? they had a 43 to 19 shot advantage...do you call that afraid to attack? What would the shots have been if they weren't afraid.

[cavbim]

i wasn't looking for a disection on my last post..but, if you are saying i never saw them play you are wrong. If you are out shooting people and still loosing games you have a problem in goal, it is that simple...

you say they were afraid to attack in the BC game? they had a 43 to 19 shot advantage...do you call that afraid to attack? What would the shots have been if they weren't afraid.

1. No not saying you never saw them. I remember posts from you before I just think your memories seem to be from '03-04 and that team and this team are apple and oranges.

2. Are you pointing to a goaltending problem instead of a lack of conversion problem? Again Bugden and Thomas are night and day in goal and taking nothing away from Thomas as she carried the ball enough times last year to get the job done, but the team never, not when she had the job for awhile freshman year,nor last year, ever played with a confidence to take the chances to put numbers and create a flurry of shots on the opposition. They play different in front of Jana.

3. Maybe things are looking up. Jane stopped 31 of 32 I believe today and they wore the Colgate goalie down to get 3 third period goals, this despite the fact that I actually thought Colgate held an edge in play for a significant portion of the time.

4. Also you know speaking of Colgate give them a bit of the credit. They play very good team defense and they can skate. It looked like they too were searching for someone to carry their offense also.

[pal7]

Two points-converstion and goaltending...hopefully the goaltending has been solved with Bugden back and the new frosh coming in. Goalies can stand on their heads and hold a team in the game, can keep it a tie with a shutout, but they can't skate the puck down the ice and put it in the net.

Converstion shouldn't be a problem for a team with that many shots over the opposition...it isn't often that a team can "out shoot" the competition repeatedly and still loose - it is more often the rarity, thus the expression the goalie stole the game!...
It is the repetition of this particular situation that i am commenting on...why does it happen to Providence so often in particular?
The shots and situations for scoring are happening as indicated by the shot count. I realize shot count doesn't indicate the quality of the shots, but still the count is considerably higher and gives the added opportunities for scoring. So why can't they pull a "w"?
They keep running into hot goaltenders?I don't think so...something else isn't clicking... and what it is I have no idea, that is why the question was asked in the first place...
Hope they can pull it together this year.

[starsparents]

Looking at the roster, Providence is very talented. Scoring is one thing, playmaking is another. I live in Connecticut, and only saw them twice last year, I thought they were great. However, you need playmakers, who can set up quality opportunities, sometimes with teams, and I`m not saying this is the case, because I do not see them enough, you lack a playmaker, and if there is little in the way of creativity, scoring becomes a problem. The other thing that could be a problem, and again, just suggesting, because I do not see them that often, is that each player is trying to pull load themselves, maybe too much one on one hockey. When you get alot of talented players together, sometimes they all think that they are the "go to" player. That subtle miscommunication hurts too. They will come around. They could be pressing, as they know they are strong, and sometimes the underdog plays loose with nothing to lose. Lets see how the season plays out. Deraney is a great coach, and they`ll come around soon.

[oldtime17]

The last post makes a lot of sense. Last couple of years PC tended to have very little puck movement from their forwards, the assists generally came from rebounds. There was puck movement on the PP but at even strength there seemed to be a lot of shots but many were not good quality or angled ones.
Sort of the same on Sat didn't see Sun. Also, Thought Jana looked good on Sat,very calm for having not started a game in so long..Easy to forget how well she handles the puck and really quarterbacks things in the PC end.Takes a lot of pressure off when she fires the puck from her end up to the opposition's blueline.
I think with her back there the young D will come along just fine. As Cav said Thomas did an admiral job last year but it much easier to go offensive when you have all the confidence in the world in Jana.
It was also mentioned earlier that PC needs to work on it's desire to win. I disagree,one only need to look back at the last 4 championship games they have been in. It's as if they refused to lose any of those games.
Should be noted that PC does this with only 12 0r 13 scholarships I've been told. Sometimes not that easy to recruit when you are offering tradition and other coaches are offering $$$

[camman15]

maybe in the past the wouldnt loose but this year its a hole another story. They are going to be beaten bad by quite a few teams. Keep it up and they wave up to BU I never thought they could score really well. think Thatcher is very good and the first captain when they won was good but rest of them are puck hogs tryng to be some star they arent. That and they take tons on penalties way too dirty a team


Every year it's a different story when it comes to UNH/PC battles,.....it is, (without a doubt), the most storied rivalry in women's collegiate hockey, and you just never know how to pick the winning team on any given nite when these two team go head/head,.....I'm not so sure the players in the PC lockeroom think they're that good; perhaps they can boast about how "Lady Friar" teams always seem to improve as much as, or more than, most teams during the season, and that can be directly attributed to their coach,.....you have to believe they will be there come HE playoff time, and like I said, you never know what'll happen when these two teams put up their "dukes",......

[camman15]

camman15----interesting choice of names-----you a cammi groupie?????

History will not help Prov there day is over...should have been last year both Conn and UNH were better then them they as you say got it right on the last day gainst Conn and not UNH. hey maybe cammi might help them out as if she'd ever go to that school now

Isn't it true UNH has won something like .600 of the time.


FYI, the user name has to do with NASCAR, and you can take all the "shoulda, coulda"s and circular file them,.....this is a new year and perhaps it will be a year where UNH will dominate not only PC but also HE,.....don't know, and only time will tell,.....

[Jon]

History will not help Prov there day is over...should have been last year both Conn and UNH were better then them they as you say got it right on the last day gainst Conn and not UNH. hey maybe cammi might help them out as if she'd ever go to that school now

Y kant unhkat70 spel?

[Jon]

Hey jonny can you read

Look at the standings only 1 team is 1.00 and one team is alone in the basement.

Cami---whatever you say

After one game, they've already gotten their desevrings.
Wow, the season must be over already.
Guess what, genius, the men's team at PC is in the first place! I guess I should go purchase those Frozen Four tickets RIGHT NOW! :eek: :rolleyes:

Y kant UHNkat70 cownt?

[Jon]

How do the standings look tonight, UHNcat07?

Or have you disappeared down the rabbit - oh, I'm sorry- chicken hole again?
Learn to read a frickin' calendar and get back to me when UNH finally beats out PC for a HE tournament tiltle. :D Otherwise, you're just full of hot air...

And a coward as well, since you disappear after PC wins the HE tournament... three years running.