Super Bowl 2006

[Bruce Ciskie]

Bruce, just because you disagree with one person's ideaology does not make you correction in your assertions. However, I tend to listen to a sport announcers who get paid a regular salary, who work for a big media outlet (i.e., NESN, ESPN, YES, etc.) over your skewked and biased opinion.

What exactly are your qualifications for being a "sports announcer"? What college did you earn your degree at? Who do you root for (besides that has-been Favre)?

Oh, the irony.

What qualifies you to talk about sports and assert that your opinions and ideologies are correct over anyone else's?

Why don't you answer a few of my questions?

1. What qualifies as a dynasty?

2. If Joe Theismann thinks that Brett Favre is the greatest thing since sliced bread, isn't he right, since he's a sports announcer who's paid a regular salary and works for ESPN?

3. How is my opinion of the Patriots "skewed and biased". Please provide some evidence of things I've said that are "skewed and biased". Unlike you, I back up most of what I say with actual facts, instead of Sean Salisbury's opinion passed off as fact.

If you can answer a few of these without dancing or attacking what I do for a living, I might think of providing for you my educational credentials.

[Rover]

Why don't you answer a few of my questions?

1. What qualifies as a dynasty?

2. If Joe Theismann thinks that Brett Favre is the greatest thing since sliced bread, isn't he right, since he's a sports announcer who's paid a regular salary and works for ESPN?

3. How is my opinion of the Patriots "skewed and biased". Unlike you, I back up most of what I say with actual facts...


1) The Patriots of course. You're a little slow on the uptake there Bruce. :rolleyes: If you want others (that aren't prehistoric = post merger) I'd say Steelers, 49ers, and Dallas.

2) I believe that's "John Madden" who thinks Favre's the greatest. Hopefully he's confining his opinion to football and nothing else.

3) Second half of the statement is self-serving, for the first part,its obvious you have championship envy as mentioned early, given Minnie's flameouts in their 4 Super Bowl tries

4) Brady > Tarkenton :cool:

[Bruce Ciskie]

2) I believe that's "John Madden" who thinks Favre's the greatest. Hopefully he's confining his opinion to football and nothing else.

3) Second half of the statement is self-serving, for the first part,its obvious you have championship envy as mentioned early, given Minnie's flameouts in their 4 Super Bowl tries

4) Brady > Tarkenton

Again...Patriot fan < Yankee fan

At least Yankee fans know what NFL team I root for and which one I despise.

And it was indeed Joe Theismann who was talking Favre up in the Minnesota game last year as if he was playing with a broken arm instead of a broken thumb.

And I hate the Vikings. I laugh at their Super Bowl flameouts. But thanks for proving absolutely nothing with your post. It's typical of a Patriots apologist.

[Jason A]

Dear pucksntape,


You're trying too hard now, we can tell.


Sincerely,
The Rest of USCHO :D :p

[Rover]

Again...Patriot fan < Yankee fan

At least Yankee fans know what NFL team I root for and which one I despise.

And it was indeed Joe Theismann who was talking Favre up in the Minnesota game last year as if he was playing with a broken arm instead of a broken thumb.

And I hate the Vikings. I laugh at their Super Bowl flameouts. But thanks for proving absolutely nothing with your post. It's typical of a Patriots apologist.

Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, where is all this anger coming from? :D Look I'm sorry if the morning farm report got better ratings than your show during the latest sweeps but there's no reason to take that out on innocent Pats fans on the board. :eek:

Now go re-read my post and take it for the lighthearted jab that it was, and not some serious attempt to get your goat. For those of us who don't take this board all that seriously - we don't tend to keep complete profiles of other posters just so maybe we can use it against them some day. :)

[Bruce Ciskie]

Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, where is all this anger coming from? :D Look I'm sorry if the morning farm report got better ratings than your show during the latest sweeps but there's no reason to take that out on innocent Pats fans on the board.

If you're innocent, so is darin.

:p

[shrader]

3. How is my opinion of the Patriots "skewed and biased". Please provide some evidence of things I've said that are "skewed and biased". Unlike you, I back up most of what I say with actual facts, instead of Sean Salisbury's opinion passed off as fact.

But Salisbury has made his career at espn by relentlessly picking on the biggest nerd in the world, John Clayton. Clearly he must know what he's talking about.

[snively]

...look at some of the playoff games that New England has shaved by in:This one made me laugh -- are you deducting style points? Did you get burned 'cause they didn't cover the spread? :D

Reminds me of the retort that five-time Tour de France winner Jacques Anquetil gave to a journalist who was trying to disparage his small margin of victory in a minor stage race:

Hack to Anquetil (accusingly): "How do you feel that you won this three day race by a mere 7 seconds?"

Anquetil (summoning up the immense reserve of hauteur and disdain that only a patrician Norman can muster): " I feel it was six more than necessary."

Anyway, since you mentioned some other teams who ended up getting "shaved", here's their own press's view (courtesy of Michael Ryan's Feb 7 piece at http://redsox.bostonherald.com/blogs/, which has hyperlinks to each piece inserted). Just a wild hunch, but I'm assuming that relatively few of these scribes are huge Patriots fans:

Arizona Republic: This legitimate dynasty is lulling fans to sleep

Buffalo News: Pats’ dynasty is III for IV

Chicago Sun-Times: It’s inescapable: New England’s a dynasty

Chicago Sun-Times: Patriot Way continues to work wonders for team of decade

Cincinnati Enquirer: Tri-umphant!

Cincinnati Post: A place in history

Cleveland Plain Dealer: 1, 2, 3: A Dynasty

Delaware County Times: Pats’ dynasty clocks the Eagles

Denver Post: Brady cements name for induction of fame

Detroit Free Press: Patriot Act III

Detroit News: Patriots stake claim as a team for the ages

Houston Chronicle: System, not stars, drives this dynasty

Indianapolis Star: Stoic Belichick transforms ordinary guys into legends

Newark Star-Ledger: Belichick becomes King

New York Daily News: Timeless Pats always Super

New York Post: Three times, it’s Brady

The Oregonian: No. 3 equals a dynasty

St. Louis Post-Dispatch: Patriots extend reign

San Francisco Chronicle: OK, if they won’t say it, I guess we’ll just have to

Seattle Times: Brady cool, calm as he collects 3rd ring

South Florida Sun-Sentinel: Brady’s a quarterback for the ages

South Jersey Courier Post: Eagles win at everything but the game

Tampa Tribune: Pat Trick

Washington Times: New England is a winner built for all ages

[Bruce Ciskie]

So when the media says it, it must be true?

What turnip truck did you people fall off of? :eek:

[Stillings]

So when the media says it, it must be true?

What turnip truck did you people fall off of? :eek:

No, whatever YOU say is true. :rolleyes:

[Bruce Ciskie]

No, whatever YOU say is true.

The difference? I'm not backing up what I say with the opinions of other people. I'm backing up what I said with the truth about what actually happened, and it's KILLING you.

So "Patriot Nation" has made up this ridiculous excuse that I'm either skewed, biased, or just plain stupid, because GOD FORBID anyone in this country be capable of thinking for themselves and end up with a conclusion different than the "company line".

I never expected one simple statement to lead to this long flame war. I don't expect anyone to automatically believe what I think, but I do expect that my opinion won't be dismissed as invalid, uninformed, biased, or ignorant because it's different than yours.

Patriots fans < Yankees fans :p

[Stillings]

The difference? I'm not backing up what I say with the opinions of other people. I'm backing up what I said with the truth about what actually happened, and it's KILLING you.

So "Patriot Nation" has made up this ridiculous excuse that I'm either skewed, biased, or just plain stupid, because GOD FORBID anyone in this country be capable of thinking for themselves and end up with a conclusion different than the "company line".

I never expected one simple statement to lead to this long flame war. I don't expect anyone to automatically believe what I think, but I do expect that my opinion won't be dismissed as invalid, uninformed, biased, or ignorant because it's different than yours.

Patriots fans < Yankees fans :p

It's killing me? Me? Nope. Sorry. Badly misdiagnosed, chief.

I have not accused you of any bias. Have I? No. So wrong again.

I stand by my statement that football has never had a dynasty, but the Pats are among the very best teams in NFL history. No question about it.

[Bruce Ciskie]

I stand by my statement that football has never had a dynasty, but the Pats are among the very best teams in NFL history. No question about it.

And I'll stand by what I said at least four times on the radio both before and after the Bowl:

The Patriots are among the top 7-10 teams this league has seen since the AFL/NFL merger (historical place depends on personal opinion), but they are not yet a dynasty.

Hmm...doesn't sound like you and I are that far apart in our opinion on this...though I disagree that football has NEVER had a dynasty. They haven't had anything that approaches the Yankees, Celtics, and Habs, but I'm not going to subscribe to Bob Ryan's theory that these are the only three dynasties in the history of sports. They're just a cut above other franchises that have had dynastic (I don't know if that's a word, but you know what I mean :)) runs.

[Stillings]

And I'll stand by what I said at least four times on the radio both before and after the Bowl:

The Patriots are among the top 7-10 teams this league has seen since the AFL/NFL merger (historical place depends on personal opinion), but they are not yet a dynasty.

Hmm...doesn't sound like you and I are that far apart in our opinion on this...though I disagree that football has NEVER had a dynasty. They haven't had anything that approaches the Yankees, Celtics, and Habs, but I'm not going to subscribe to Bob Ryan's theory that these are the only three dynasties in the history of sports. They're just a cut above other franchises that have had dynastic (I don't know if that's a word, but you know what I mean :)) runs.

7-10?! C'mon.
Anyway, I think you are heavily doscounting the Pats over things like margin of victory and bad oppositon coaching, and you shouldn;t. If anything, the Pats should be heavily credited for having a trmendous run in the free agency era and in era in professional sports where pro athletes make late 1990's dot.com execs look like the Amish.

By the way, shameless how you plug the radio at every opportunity.

[Jason A]

Pats offensive line assistant Jeff Davidson has left to become offensive line coach for the Cleveland Browns: http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/arts/3976.0.html

Here's a look at the current New England coaching staff:

Offensive coordinator: --
Assistant Head Coach / Offensive Line: Dante Scarnecchia
Offensive Line Assistant: --
Wide Receivers: Brian Daboll
Running Backs: Ivan Fears
Quarterbacks: Josh McDaniels

Defensive coordinator: Eric Mangini
Defensive Line: Pepper Johnson
Linebackers: Dean Pees
Defensive Backs: --

Special Teams: Brad Seely

Strength & Conditioning: Mike Woicik
Assistant Strength and Conditioning: Markus Paul (interviewing with Jets)

[Rover]

So "Patriot Nation" has made up this ridiculous excuse that I'm either skewed, biased, or just plain stupid.....

I think all three Bruce, and I can tell you that its more than "Patriots Nation" that feels this way.... :p

[Stillings]

Pats offensive line assistant Jeff Davidson has left to become offensive line coach for the Cleveland Browns: http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/arts/3976.0.html

Here's a look at the current New England coaching staff:

Offensive coordinator: --
Assistant Head Coach / Offensive Line: Dante Scarnecchia
Offensive Line Assistant: --
Wide Receivers: Brian Daboll
Running Backs: Ivan Fears
Quarterbacks: Josh McDaniels

Defensive coordinator: Eric Mangini
Defensive Line: Pepper Johnson
Linebackers: Dean Pees
Defensive Backs: --

Special Teams: Brad Seely

Strength & Conditioning: Mike Woicik
Assistant Strength and Conditioning: Markus Paul (interviewing with Jets)

A lateral move to a losing team?
How about the Pats hanging onto two high ranking coaches/administrators for less money? No, they're nothing special. :rolleyes: :D

[snively]

So when the media says it, it must be true? What turnip truck did you people fall off of? :eek:Irony rears its head again. :D

Bruce: not clear whether you literally don't understand, or are deliberately committing yourself to not understanding.

Your contention was that it's primarily a Patriots fan bias/conceit to believe this team's achievements over the past few years are sufficient to constitute a "dynasty".

I then post lead sports articles from 20 other cities -- all of them far from New England, and most of them home to NFL competitors -- the vast majority of which make this very same assertion. All people who get paid handily to be sports analysts, and not a Patriots fan among them.

So it sounds, once again, as though literally nothing will convince you that this is anything other than just a parochial NE take on this point.

Suit yourself. You just happen to be vastly outvoted by other (dare I say, more widely followed) sports analysts.

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Arizona Republic: This legitimate dynasty is lulling fans to sleep

Buffalo News: Pats’ dynasty is III for IV

Chicago Sun-Times: It’s inescapable: New England’s a dynasty

Chicago Sun-Times: Patriot Way continues to work wonders for team of decade

Cincinnati Enquirer: Tri-umphant!

Cincinnati Post: A place in history

Cleveland Plain Dealer: 1, 2, 3: A Dynasty

Delaware County Times: Pats’ dynasty clocks the Eagles

Denver Post: Brady cements name for induction of fame

Detroit Free Press: Patriot Act III

Detroit News: Patriots stake claim as a team for the ages

Houston Chronicle: System, not stars, drives this dynasty

Indianapolis Star: Stoic Belichick transforms ordinary guys into legends

Newark Star-Ledger: Belichick becomes King

New York Daily News: Timeless Pats always Super

New York Post: Three times, it’s Brady

The Oregonian: No. 3 equals a dynasty

St. Louis Post-Dispatch: Patriots extend reign

San Francisco Chronicle: OK, if they won’t say it, I guess we’ll just have to

Seattle Times: Brady cool, calm as he collects 3rd ring

South Florida Sun-Sentinel: Brady’s a quarterback for the ages

South Jersey Courier Post: Eagles win at everything but the game

Tampa Tribune: Pat Trick

Washington Times: New England is a winner built for all ages

[Bruce Ciskie]

7-10?! C'mon.
Anyway, I think you are heavily doscounting the Pats over things like margin of victory and bad oppositon coaching, and you shouldn;t.

Actually, if anything, I'm overcompensating for the fact that this is just a four-year run, and I never said where I would place them. I just think that's a fair range for just about everyone, including those who despise the Pats and refuse to give them credit (like Freddie Mitchell, who is a bona-fide idiot that has officially cost himself a job with a perennial contender in Philly).

If I had to rank my top franchise runs since the merger...off the top of my head, I'd probably go:

1. '80s/90s 49ers (by a lot)
2. '70s Steelers
3. '90s Cowboys
4. '00s Patriots
5. '70s Dolphins (unbeaten season part of 34-2 run)
6. '80s/'90s Redskins (Gibbs run)
7. '90s Broncos
8. '90s Bills
9. '70s Vikings
10. '90s Packers

Subject to change if I did actual research, but I think the top five is pretty well set in stone no matter what I were to dig up that I didn't think of right here.

[Robskillz]

Snively, that was one of the finest posts I've seen in a while. Well done.