Northeastern Team???

[Hockey17]

So, does anyone have any idea of whats going on with the NU women's team? I have heard from several sources that more then half the team has asked for their release. Does anyone know whats going on??

[ClOuD 9]

Wow. :eek:

[SKATNMIASOV]

I would assume that if you have several sources that have that kind of information, that those sources would also have names and reasons why those players are leaving. The big question is are the players wanting to leave big impact or big scholarship players? It seems as if NU went through a similar situation last year. As it turned out the players were not really missed this year and NU turned out much better than expected. The only confirmed impact player leaving is Kenyon, I believe that she is more homesick than anything else. ` From what I know of Woog, he philosophy is if you don't want to play here then see ya. I'm sure there are other players willing to accept any scholarship monies that others walk away from. I would asssume that if half a team was leaving a school, than the schools program might be in serious trouble. I have heard nothing of the sort. The team seems young and talented and played with some pretty tough teams this year. This young team could be pretty dangerous in a year or two

[stumpy]

The rumors are true. For the sake of the players, no one is going to say anything just yet. But call the school if you want to know more. See what they say.

[Hockey17]

As a matter of fact, the players leaving are impact players. Even if they were not, losing Cyndy Kenyon would be bad enough. The other players leaving are also first and second liners and I find it hard to believe how they could not be missed.
Indeed NU lost players last year, in fact they have lost players every year Joy Woog has been a coach...more and more as they years go by. Something has to be going on.

[SKATNMIASOV]

Looking at that the stats, other than Goodney and kenyon the other players seem virtually non- existant. I wonder just how much they will be missed. The addition of the two players coming in this year should off set any loss they sustain with Kenyon and who ever else leaves. With Goodney still there and the goalie stepping into the shoes of Gunn, I don't think the program is in any trouble at all. I think what needs to really be looked at is the reasons the players are leaving. Were they players Woog recruited ? Anyone who would walk away from a scholarship from a school with the academic reputation and hockey history of NU would really need to examine theirselves and thier priorities. Let's be honest, it is about education and getting a job after the next 4 years. Time to grow up and realize that hockey is coming to an end. All you have to do is skate and go to class. Woog seems like a great person, no nonsense and straight forward. Some people can't deal with that. Time to grow up. When a person that really does not produce a whole lot even first and second liners decides to leave, thier non production is not really missed. It will be interesting to see if these disgruntled players get money next year to play at another school. If they got money at all at NU. I can guarantee you this, there will be players to take their place and their money. If they were even the calibre player to recieve any.
What does for the sake of the players mean exactly. Why hide? If you are leaving why should it be a big secret? Other players leaving respective schools are named on this site what is the big deal. A player is leaving a program, it is ot a matter of top secret or anything.

[Hockey17]

A team is a team, even though a player may not have points does not mean they don't contribute. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as great as Kenyon and Goodney are they did not get all those points without the help and support of their teammates. If I recall correctly, just before the Christmas break Northeasterns D was ranked about 4th in the nation. But I guess since D don't usually get very many points, they weren't that productive and certainly wouldn't be misssed. Right?????

[stumpy]

Skatmiasov--

NU has nothing to worry about, huh? They scored 17 total goals in their last 12 games (1.4 a game) and had virtually no offense against better conference foes. They're losing their top scorer, and two others who figured prominently in what little scoring they had down the stretch. Maybe they will have another big win in the Beanpot Consolation, but they are not going to challenge PC with those kind of numbers.

I'm logging off for a few months. I'll back next winter. Maybe Carl and Joy will be done posting on this board by then.

[soapbox_ranter_211]

Seems Joy Woog is a major problem in this program. As an outsider who follows these threads closely, ever since she took over the program it's gone down hill. When the abuse rumors last year turned out to be true, NU should have taken some action at that time to save the program. As it is now, NU isn't even mentioned as a contender any longer and interest in the program has been waning.

NU needs to reevaluate this situation and do something to restore credibility to the organization. For a once thriving program, this ship has been teetering on sinking now for years.

Want instant credibility back, hire Shelley Looney, Laura Schuler or another former Huskie player in as coach. Looney if i'm not mistaken was assistant to the USA U17 mens team this year. She has her feet wet now and i'm sure her name would attract many up and comers back to the program.

It's time to put Woog out to pasture!

[ontherocks]

Skatin

We had to endure your ranting this whole year about how great Shattuck was and they turned out to be a big bust at nationals. Can we expect to hear the same about NU from now on?

[ClOuD 9]

Does anyone have a list of players that have left/transfered out in the last two season? It is a decent amount correct? I'm not going to troll on Woog as we do not know if this is confirmed or the circumstances surrounding it, but how badly could something like this hurt future recruiting?

[SKATNMIASOV]

Wow I have a lot to respond to.


N/U IMHO will not contend for a Hockey East Championship or NCAA Championship any time soon. With that being said, netiher will 4 of the other teams in Hockey East. I think as they were this year, they will be a dangerous team to play at anytime in the next couple of years. I say this only because the team is so young and has done so well against teams that were older and more experienced and finished the season with better records. N/U may well be the reason Wisconsin never made it over the hump this year.

Ranter you sound more like an insider than an outsider. Maybe you were an insider that became an outsider because you couldn't get along inside with the other insiders.
I say this because you seem to be the only one who has mentioned that any Abuse rumors were ever substantiated. Do you really think that a Institution at the risk of being named in a civil litigation would stand for a coach abusing players. Surely this abuse would have led to the arrest of Woog. Surely she would have been sued correct? Well I don't think I heard of any of that happening. If I recall correctly it was Woog who stripped a Captain of the C and showed she and a couple of other players to the door. I like that. It is her program either get along or get along down the road. Now a days players want to be babied and coddled. It's D-1 Hockey grow up. A Coach that has control of her team, now that is a different concept ;)
I know you are just an outsider and all, but mabey you could produce some articles that talk of the abuse rumors being substantiated or her being arrested or sued in civil court. Or was it simply a couple of troubled players acting out. The latter I believe.
INSTANT CREDIBILITY.- Finsihing 4th in Hockey East (2 points from3rd), when you were picked to finish last. Accomplishing that feat with a team dominated by Frosh and Soph. Receiving a Coach of the Year Award at the end of that season. Coming up with some big wins and ties that year. I would say that is Instant credibility for a coach in her 2nd year. You don't want Credibility, you just want Woog fired. Sounds like you got a serious ax to grind.
Still waiting on the list of other RUMORED players leaving, RUMOR has it is half the team.
hockey17- Now you and I both know that offense and defense are two different monsters. If the defense was 4th in the Nation, then obviously they were doing their job. If the offense only scored the number of goals you mentioned down the stretch then obviously some of the offensive players were not doing thiers. My question is how do you miss something you never had. If you are a forward and you don't score or assist, then how have you contirbuted? Speeches in the locker room don't count. The coach can't put the puck in the net, it is the players who have to do it.
Stumpy- As it has been eluded to before by myself and others, the reason kenyon is leaving is likely to Opp to play at home and not having that opp last year. I would agree there seemed to be a scoring problem. Time to bring in some goal scorers.
ONTHEROCKS.- You listen with your ears, you read with your eyes. I write about what a great program Shattuck is. That can't be argued. So don't try. Why was Shattuck at "Bust" at nationals. They only put two teams into National Championship games this year, and one into a quarter final game. If that is bust for a program, I would like to see the standards set by the program from which you came. I thought you knew a little about hockey. I now see you know little about hockey.
RECRUITING- As long as there is scholarship money to be given, there will always be players willing to be recruited. I'm sure that there are a number of coaches with instances of players leaving the program. Hampshire lost Davis, no one is calling for the coaches head. Kelli H left Ohio State, Potter left Minnesota. The bottom line is players leave.

There are players that leave and players that are asked to leave. Make sure the list seperates the two.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go and see how in the world STAFFORD and THELAN and Borer (Former Shattuck Players) wound up as Scouting Centrals #7 and#11 and 52nd top rated American draft picks. I tell ya don't all these College Coaches and NHL teams know where these players come from. They should have consulted with ONTHEROCKS and found out that the program they played in was really a "BUST"

SHATTUCK ST. MARY"S PREP SCHOOL- The #1 hockey program in America.

AND WE HAVE THE

6 NHL players
2003-#1 American rated NHL DRAFT American Player
2004-#7 and #11 and #52 rated NHL DRAFT American Players
20- D-1 women's players
1 National Team Member
1-22 Under National Team Member
1-18 and under NTDP member (Committed to Michigan)
27-D-1 Mens players
1-NCAA National Championship Men's Trophy
1- 2 time Hobey Baker finalist (Frosh and SOPH)
4 World Junior Gold medal team members
10-AHL and USHL Men's players.
3 MIDGET AAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
Sidney Crosby
and 1 current NHL Head coach

TO PROVE IT. (Ontherocks, is "Bust" a good thing?)

:p

[dave1381]

SKATN - Woog was sued. Here's the Northeastern paper's article that discusses the lawsuit.
http://www.nu-news.com/news/2003/05/28/Sports/Former.Player.Files.Suit.Against.Nu.Coach-437170.shtml
The law suit, written by Lorion's attorney, Frank J. Teague of McCullough, Stievater and Polvere, LLP, who was unavailable for comment Tuesday evening, contains several isolated incidents involving the coach's alleged behavior including "verbal abuse, rage, ridicule and shouting." The suit contains a specific incident where, in a November practice, Woog "began screaming at the Plaintiff [Lorion] during a routine ice drill. Defendant Woog became visibly upset and agitated and physically punched Plaintiff with her fist twice on the shoulder with great force."
The story was picked up in several other more mainstream publications that same week.

And while it would be unfair to deny Woog any credit for the team doing better than expected this season, it's equally ridiculous to give her all the credit. If the team was mostly successful due to freshman and sophomores, it speaks a lot to her assistant coach's recruiting ability (and where's that assistant coach going to be next year?) and not as much to her ability to develop players.

[SKATNMIASOV]

Dave- Thanks for the article. I believe that it says she is currently being sued. No award has been given that would indicate Woog was wrong. It does seem to say exactly what I was refering to. The allegations were not substantiated, even after interviewing other players and Coaches who were on the ice. Woog was also never arrested. If the player was really assaulted surely she would have filed a criminal complaint. It appears the only court the player wants to pursue is one that will get her a little cashiepoo. As we know any idiot can sue for anything. Sounds like the players were a problem and Woog dealt with it. Some one is looking for a pay day.
I believe that had an assault took place the school would have acted swiftly with Woog. They would have had no chioce but to dismiss her in order to aviod being culpable in any other instance that may happen down the road. The lack of support and testimony from team mates and coaches that witnessed what ever took place that day leads me to believe there was no "Assault". It does say however that she was hurt because the coach yelled at her. Thier refusal to do so holds alot of merit with me.
I would also agree that Mr. Cox does a great job and has excellent people skills. I wish him luck with his new wife and what ever job he takes on next. With that being said, Ultimately the Coach makes the final decisions on the players and is ultimately responsible and has to answer for a teams perfromance or lack there of. I don't believe that any mention was made refering to Woog's ability to develop players. This being only her second year, creating the right mix and coaching what she had I think is what contributed to her success this year. She has not been there long enough to really develop any players.
Thanks again for the article.

[dave1381]

You're welcome. Woog just finished her fourth season as head coach, actually, not her second. But it is true that this was the first season where pretty much all the players were "hers." And it is true that she was thrown into a pretty difficult situation to begin with.

[CrackerJack]

is Cox officially not coming back for the 04-05 season?

[SKATNMIASOV]

Sorry, I was off by two years. Shows how much I actually keep up with NU's program.

It was my understanding that Coach Cox would not be back at NU. That is really too bad. He is a class act from what I know of him.

[Hockey17]

SKATNMIASOV
I find it interesting that you've had soo much to say on knowing how well Joy Woog runs the NU program yet you've just admitted that you don't really follow NU! You didn't even know how long she has coached there. Doesn't make much sense...if you don't follow the team that closely how can you make such comments commending Coach Joy on the way she runs the program. Perhaps if you did follow the program more closely you'd have a better understanding of what is occurring right now!
And as for your comments on the girls leaving school, giving up scholorships and not having their priorities straight...I'm sure most of them will transfer to other schools and get other scholorships where they will be happier. As they certainly do not seem happy at NU. I see no reason why any athlete should stay at a school they are not happy at. They work very hard to get to college and enjoy that experience, and if that is not happening at NU, why not find it somewhere else. Not to mention I find it very hard to believe numerous other athletes will be crawling at the opening of scholorships...the program seems to clearly be struggling right now and losing players in large quantities. If it were only one or two players leaving it would be a different story but when its almost half the team something has to be up.


P.S. any reasons on why Mike Cox will not be returning?

[ClOuD 9]

Originally posted by SKATNMIASOV
RECRUITING- As long as there is scholarship money to be given, there will always be players willing to be recruited. I'm sure that there are a number of coaches with instances of players leaving the program. Hampshire lost Davis, no one is calling for the coaches head. Kelli H left Ohio State, Potter left Minnesota. The bottom line is players leave.
My question was more or less how much weight would what looks like a lack of stability hold when a player is looking at a school, yes there will always be money and people willing to take it, but would this cause some to take a second look at their options? New Hampshire hasn't lost nearly the amount of players NU has, Lankton transfered out last year and Davis and it is rumored Paul this year.

[SKATNMIASOV]

It is hard to judge how many players NU has lost through the transfers of unhappy players. NO ONE seems to have ANY past NAMES, or where these players NOW PLAY. If a Coach does not want you back does that fall under the Unhappy transfer rule, or the I'm not wanted rule. It is easy to say alot of players have left, but show me the oplayers that left.
When the alleged abuse rumor surfaced, posts on this site called for the head of Woog. Everyone speculating jumping on the players sides. However an investigation (Thank god for those) found that no assault had taken place. Not one player on the ice during the incident, not one coach to coroborate the story of the two players who GOT THEIR FEELINGS HURT WHEN THE COACH YELLED AT THEM.
As far as detering players from coming to NU i doubt that it will effect the program at all. How many freshman still came after the alleged incident. I think they still had a full roster.
AS far as the program being in trouble. Why because no fans really attend the games. That is 95 percent of the programs here in the US. Women's hockey is not a big draw at all. The Colleges give tickets and offer 25cent hot dogs and they still can't people to come watch. You think that would ever drop Women's Hockey at NU because a couple of players complain. I think not.
Hockey 17- You are right, I guess no one will want those scholarships and that free education (Did you think before you typed that?) Just because you don't want to be there does not mean some one else won't want to be there. I just wonder if it is the leaving that hurts or the fact that you won't be missed. I think they won't have any problem filling the roster or giving away their scholarship money.
I still have not seen one name (Other then Kenyon) of players leaving. Still haven't heard one reason as to why they are leaving other than they are not happy. Only another rumor that this time instead of Woog being thrown in jail states half the team is leaving. That is like 10 players. I'd like to see what the number really turns out to be. I got a hunch it won't be any where near 10. But I guarantee you they will fill those spots.
I know it appears as Ben Smith like having her around to coach at the festivals. Let's get rid of him too. Hey if he ****es a player off do you think no other players will want to play for him in the Olympics. Will our Olympic program be in trouble?
I'll be checking for a list of players and reasons I'll even settle for half of the half. How about half of the half of the half and one solid reason. How about 1 player and 1 reason. What is the big secret anyway. The lack of ability to come up with one ounce of reason makes me doubt this rumor more and more. Hell Kenyon was the leading scorer it is no secret she is leaving. The players leaving must have also retained attorney's who advised them not to talk right:D