How To Measure The Best Program Ever

[siouxinminny]

Which measure of hockey ability and tradition signifies which school has the best program through time?

[Almington]

Originally posted by siouxinminny
Most NCAA champsionships in the last 20 years.

What is a "champsionship"? I've never heard of those.

[ScoobyDoo]

Originally posted by siouxinminny
Which measure of hockey ability and tradition signifies which school has the best program through time?
Let me know when you would like me to render my decision.

[siouxinminny]

Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
Let me know when you would like me to render my decision.

ScoobyDoo - you have a loyal following.

Please enlighten us with your decision immediately.

[Don King]

I've got an idea: if we want to compare Minnesota and North Dakota, let's just compare 'em head-to-head!

129 > 112!

Also, note that the UND SID tries to cheat Minnesota out of seven wins.

[goBU18]

Is this a legitimate question?

[goBU18]

This is actually a pretty descrete answer. Let's say the answer is Boston University (NCAA Championships, Tournament Championships, In-Season Tournament Championships, legendary coach, production of NHL players AND coaches, contribution to the game in all levels, loyal fanbase, great atmosphere, yada yada yada).

Well, of course, this is not a truly runaway winner of an answer :) There are "best programs": BU, BC, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconson, Minnesota, Maine, UNH(?), what was Lake Superior State, what was Bowling Green, Cornell, North Dakota.

[ScoobyDoo]

My decision:

The question is moot, inflammatory, and without merit. Fact is each category above is debateable, no one knows the answers to all those, and none of them alone decides who the greatest program is.

You can't use one category to decide who the best ever is. You can't use 2, or 3, or even 4. Fact is we may not even have enough data, and even if we do who gets to decide which categories get to decide?

With all bias I would choose Minnesota. :D

With all logic I would choose not to choose and let each individual fan decide for himself.

For right now I know one simple fact. Minnesota is back-to-back defending national champions and the #1 program in the nation. In April the players on the ice will decide who the new #1 program is.

And the beauty of it is it WILL be decided on the ice.

[beersong]

The Hound rules. :D

[redrocker]

How do you measure the best program ever? By height.

[gopherpride]

Most back-to-back NCAA championships.
Michigan 3
Denver 2
Minnesota 1
Boston U. 1

Most NCAA championships.
Michigan 9
UND 7
Minnesota 5
Wisconsin 5
Denver 5
Boston U. 5

Highest winning percentage over all time.
these are obvisously disputible, so add a +/- 2 margin of error
Minnesota 63.8
Boston U. 63.4
Boston C. 63.4
Maine 61.8
Michigan 60.0

Most NCAA champsionships in the last 20 years.
Since when is 'ever' limited to the last 20 years?

Highest post-season winning percentage over all time.
Too much work to find out.

Most weeks spent at the top of the poll.
Everyone knows polls are just guidelines.

Most players sent to the NHL.
Who knows, but I can guarantee most came from the 'M' states (Minn, Mich, Mass).

Whatever ScoobyDoo decides
Like one person has the final say:
Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
My decision:
The question is moot, inflammatory, and without merit. With all bias I would choose Minnesota. :D With all logic I would choose not to choose and let each individual fan decide for himself. In April the players on the ice will decide who the new #1 program is.

One thing's for sure... you tend to see a lot of "Minnesota" - "Michigan" - & "Boston U." up there.

hmm...3 'M' states you say?

[MercuryDragonCH]

UMaine has the best program ever.

[Ralph Baer]

Originally posted by gopherpride

Highest winning percentage over all time.
these are obvisously disputible, so add a +/- 2 margin of error
Minnesota 63.8
Boston U. 63.4
Boston C. 63.4
Maine 61.8
Michigan 60.0 I always thought that Clarkson led in this category, or have the last few years dropped them down a lot?

[Parise for Hobey Baker]

Had to vote for Scooby. I don't want my legs broken...!:D

[Zudnic]

I think the best way to measure all time performance is by this formula:

team all time winning % * conference all time nonconference winning percent

with the increasing stratification between strong conferences and weak conferences, this would only be fair.

[Kepler]

Originally posted by Ralph Baer
Highest winning percentage over all time.
I always thought that Clarkson led in this category, or have the last few years dropped them down a lot?

No, Clarkson is still #1.

According to the TBRW database, there are 8 major programs > .600:

.657 Clarkson
.633 Minnesota
.631 BU
.628 BC
.619 Harvard
.613 Maine
.610 Wisconsin
.601 Cornell

[Wol4ine]

Originally posted by Kepler
No, Clarkson is still #1.

According to the TBRW database, there are 8 major programs > .600:

.657 Clarkson
.633 Minnesota
.631 BU
.628 BC
.619 Harvard
.613 Maine
.610 Wisconsin
.601 Cornell
Michigan has to be in the top ten at .595. Since Red hasn't had a season under .650 in 14 years I gotta believe it's only a few years away until we move up over .600.

[Greyeagle]

I think the best way to measure all time performance is by this formula:

team all time winning % * conference all time nonconference winning percent

with the increasing stratification between strong conferences and weak conferences, this would only be fair.
I was thinking by height would be a good way to measure, but I guess this would work well too. :D

[Wisconsin Wildcat]

Excuse me, there's a poll option missing.

"I'm a Wolverine fan. That makes me superior by default" :rolleyes:

[Green Submarine]

However you ultimately decide to slice it, it seems that judging purely on the post-season is a pretty lously way to evaluate an entire program, which would eliminate four of those outright.