UW recruiting: And the sign said non-blue chippahs need not apply!

[Badgers1]

Skille and Kessel's team in what would seem a big surprise got beat today 4-2 by team Pacific. Skille scored a goal while Drewiske( I imagine Davis brother?) had an assist.

http://www.usahockey.com/04camps_festivals/tournament_game/main/04sel17_festival/10/2004_07_12_04_45_pm/Central_vs_Pacific/sel17schedule/stats/

[joeyv]

Central with a 7-2 victory over New York on 7-13 at Select 17s.

Kessel with a hat trick, and Skille with another goal.

I would hardly call Michigan's victory "surprising" as many I have conversed with believe Michigan might have the best club there. A lot of grumbling about Minnesota's club not being anywhere near as good as advertised from my former college roomates (huge U. Minnesota fans).

Wisconsin Hockey: At Center Ice, a Freshman From Madison, number 11, Phil Kessel! (I've Given Kessel #11) :D

[joeyv]

Central with a 1-1 tie with Dakotas at Select 17s.

Future Badgers Kessel (:)) and Skille with assists on the lone Central goal. (Kinda like the sound of "Matt Ford from Skille and Kessel...time of the goal..." ;))

Central is 2-2-1.

Wisconsin Hockey: Watching.

[redrocker]

Originally posted by joeyv
Central with a 1-1 tie with Dakotas at Select 17s.

Future Badgers Kessel (:)) and Skille with assists on the lone Central goal. (Kinda like the sound of "Matt Ford from Skille and Kessel...time of the goal..." ;))

Central is 2-2-1.

Wisconsin Hockey: Watching.

[Hobart Higgins]

Originally posted by sagissoor
Ryan Suter will not need to play one game for Milwaukee. When he chooses, he will immediately land on the Nashville roster.

Nashville is pretty bad, but they aren't that bad. Dan Hamhuis played a year in the AHL, and he is a hell of a lot better than Suter ever will be.

[con1977]

Originally posted by Hobart Higgins
Nashville is pretty bad, but they aren't that bad. Dan Hamhuis played a year in the AHL, and he is a hell of a lot better than Suter ever will be.

Do you even hear yourself when you talk? Only time will tell for sure, but Id be willing to stake a lot on the fact that you are completely wrong.

[redrocker]

Originally posted by Hobart Higgins
Nashville is pretty bad, but they aren't that bad. Dan Hamhuis played a year in the AHL, and he is a hell of a lot better than Suter ever will be.

[joeyv]

Originally posted by Hobart Higgins
Nashville is pretty bad, but they aren't that bad. Dan Hamhuis played a year in the AHL, and he is a hell of a lot better than Suter ever will be.

Bunk. If you actually believe that...you're even dumber than I originally thought. :rolleyes:

That being said I think Suter may play for a bit in the minors, but I submit to you his stay will be VERY short and his career will surpass, by far, Mr. Hamhuis (with all due respect).

Hey HH,

Didn't I tell you Hunwick would be drafted in the 4-6th round? Gee whiz, he wasn't even THAT good (i.e. he was drafted in the 7th by Boston).

Meatball.

(note: You should not get involved in a battle of wits with an unarmed man...) :D

Wisconsin Hockey: Mercy, Is This Guy Dumb.

[jen]

Originally posted by Hobart Higgins
Nashville is pretty bad, but they aren't that bad. Dan Hamhuis played a year in the AHL, and he is a hell of a lot better than Suter ever will be.

No way, no how. I have never been impressed with Dan Hamhuis, from Day 1 of his professional career. He needed a lot more seasoning than Suter does. The decision-making skills, poise and mental game - WORLDS apart (in Suter's favor). Similar physical game and penchant for penalties, although I'd say Hamhuis is a bit cheaper than Ryan's been and certainly less impressive on the PP.

[Hobart Higgins]

Originally posted by joeyv


(note: You should not get involved in a battle of wits with an unarmed man...) :D

Wisconsin Hockey: Mercy, Is This Guy Dumb.

That is true, joey, and I feel bad. Sorry for any damage I might have done. Wishing you a speedy recovery. :D

[Hobart Higgins]

I don't recall saying anything about where Suter and Hunwick would be drafted, only that there isn't a lot of difference in what they have accomplished in the NCAA.

They are about the same age, same size, similar points as freshmen, both were regulars as freshmen, both made All Rookie team in their conference. Both played for U.S. at the WJC. Hunwick is a few months younger and a few pounds heavier. Is one guy the 7th overall pick and the other guy a 7th round pick?

There isn't much logic there at all. With the U18 and in the NCAA, Hunwick has pretty much been stride for stride with Suter in terms of production and performance. I don't see that changing as the years go on. If anything, Matt is closing the gap that was there when both players were 16 or 17.

[joeyv]

A witty retort...nah...just proving my point there, slick.

Nice work.

Wisconsin Hockey: Baiting.

[redrocker]

Originally posted by joeyv
A witty retort...nah...just proving my point there, slick.

Nice work.

Wisconsin Hockey: Baiting.

I think you both can do better

[Hobart Higgins]

Originally posted by jen
No way, no how. I have never been impressed with Dan Hamhuis, from Day 1 of his professional career. He needed a lot more seasoning than Suter does. The decision-making skills, poise and mental game - WORLDS apart (in Suter's favor). Similar physical game and penchant for penalties, although I'd say Hamhuis is a bit cheaper than Ryan's been and certainly less impressive on the PP.

Hamhuis was the 2nd rated North American prospect in 2001. Suter was 7th rated N.A. prospect in 2003. 2001 supposed to have more talent as well. I would go with Hamhuis all the way, especially after his rookie season.

[joeyv]

There's a reason one guy is picked #7 and the other in the 7th round...but let's not confuse the issue.

Hunwick did NOT play stride for stride with Suter at the WJC. In fact, Hunwick got very LITTLE ice time in that tourney. In fact (I don't want to let facts cloud your analysis here), Jeff Likens saw more ice time in one period than did Hunwick for the entire tournament.

I know a 15 year old who is 170 pounds. Now, he's a better than me because he's (a) 16 years younger than I am; and (b) he's 8 pounds heavier than I am. This is the basis of your comparison. Nothing to do with talent, just age and size. Simply stupid.

Hunwick is a very nice player. He might be as productive statistically as Suter in the college game. However, if you are seriously suggesting there's no difference in inherent talent between the #7 pick and a 7th round pick, you've only confirmed your stupidity.

Wisconsin Hockey: Friday Afternoon Sparring.

[jen]

Originally posted by Hobart Higgins
Hamhuis was the 2nd rated North American prospect in 2001. Suter was 7th rated N.A. prospect in 2003. 2001 supposed to have more talent as well. I would go with Hamhuis all the way, especially after his rookie season.

I don't care what they were rated on paper. I've seen them both play probably 30+ games each and stand by my opinion. There is absolutely no way you can state, with even an ounce of validity, that Dan Hamhuis is better - right now - than Ryan Suter will ever be. No. Way.

[redrocker]

Originally posted by jen
I don't care what they were rated on paper. I've seen them both play probably 30+ games each and stand by my opinion. There is absolutely no way you can state, with even an ounce of validity, that Dan Hamhuis is better - right now - than Ryan Suter will ever be. No. Way.

[Eric Hybert]

More on Josh Engel who will join the club on Monday for offseason workouts:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=6976&ntpid=5

I talked to a (non-Badger) source who told me that they thought, "Kessel and Skille were by far the number 1 and 2 best players at the 17 festival in St Cloud this past week."

Kessel and Skille have played an awful lot of hockey together in the past year. Was all the talk about them hating each other blown out of proportion, was this just a crazy rumor that took off or do they somehow manage to play on the same line despite hating each others guts?:-))

A lot of us have talked recently about the need to add a blue-chippah on defense for '05. One name that hasn't been mentioned in a long time is Brendan Olinyk from Wisconsin Rapids. I've talked to a few people that said he was easily the fastest skater in the state (Wisconsin HS) last season. A great skater combined with the fact that he had 20 goals-23 assists for 43 points last season is an impressive package. We'll have to keep an eye on his progress at Cedar Rapids this season.

http://www.crhockey.com/players/olinykbrendan.htm

Eaves has already recruited 10 Wisconsin kids in his brief stay at Wisconsin. Suter, Dowell, Olinger, Brandt, Klubertanz, Pavelski, Drewiske, Piskula, Engel and Skille.

Wisconsin Hockey: #11?

[sagissoor]

Olinyk is quite fast. He gets to top gear before most players are at half speed. Very smart offensively too. Seems to be rail thin, not sure what he lists himself at but it could be considerably less. He needs to become more physical and more aware of different defensive situations and positioning. He should get the coaching in juniors and in the experience itself. I would think he'd need two years of juniors before he's a guy we'd look at targeting.

[Hobart Higgins]

Originally posted by jen
I don't care what they were rated on paper. I've seen them both play probably 30+ games each and stand by my opinion. There is absolutely no way you can state, with even an ounce of validity, that Dan Hamhuis is better - right now - than Ryan Suter will ever be. No. Way.

...to clarify, I meant to say that Hamhuis is ahead of Suter now, and always will be. I didn't mean to suggest that Hamhuis as a 20 or 21 year old rookie is better than Suter will be at 28 years of age. But, by the same token, I beleive that Hamhuis, who is 2 years older, will always play ahead of Suter if they are on the same team.