Petition against DivIII changes

[Rhett]

Regardless of attempts to reason it away, what Union did was scummy... it was an attempt to force teams who came before them to suffer as they did for coming along too late. They wanted to improve their fortunes by detracting from others'.

Henceforth, Union will be the team I hold the most contempt for... and I want it on the record somewhere... and since this will likely go in the HOF, it will eventually be my oldest post, and the first post anyone will see if they want to go through my past posts (so mostly, this is just for me).

[TCTornado]

Originally posted by Rhett
Regardless of attempts to reason it away, what Union did was scummy... it was an attempt to force teams who came before them to suffer as they did for coming along too late. They wanted to improve their fortunes by detracting from others'.

Henceforth, Union will be the team I hold the most contempt for... and I want it on the record somewhere... and since this will likely go in the HOF, it will eventually be my oldest post, and the first post anyone will see if they want to go through my past posts (so mostly, this is just for me).
if this thread is indeed HOF material, then I want MY oldest post to be this one, saying I'm ashamed this guy is a BU fan ....

edit: I think I DO want this thread in the HOF, though it really does not compare at all to 'sad news' or 'holy hell' or even 'calling all jens".Why? So kash will be 'immortal'.

[Rhett]

Originally posted by TCTornado
if this thread is indeed HOF material, then I want MY oldest post to be this one, saying I'm ashamed this guy is a BU fan ....

Why, is there a better way to put what this guy did?

[Red Cloud]

TCTornado, you seem to be defending Hull and Union to death without really giving us a good reason for it. Why?

[Ralph Baer]

Hockey's Future article on the Prop 65 vote: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=6585&mode=threaded&order=0

[HighlanderRPI]

Originally posted by Ralph Baer
Hockey's Future article on the Prop 65 vote: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=6585&mode=threaded&order=0

Great, they gave credit for the petition to the stopprop65.com website! And it's not even linked off the website! :(

[OSU2002]

Originally posted by unionfan
Because international students are not US students, they are not eligible for federal Stafford loans. However, at Union the old policy was to provide financial aid grants to compensate for international students inability to access Stafford loans in the amount for which they otherwise would be eligible; Canadians were not considered international for those purposes, however. The "change" was to include them in this cohort. It means that they get grant money instead of loans (assuming they would have needed loans in the first place--this doesn't help students who could afford to pay any way). Since it only replaces US loan amounts, it amounts to between 2k and 5.5k depending on what year the student is, and only applies to students who can demostrate financial need for the loan funds that the grant is intended to replace.

Bingo! You're totally correct, and although I never post on the topic, I've read all too many post suggesting the "secret" scholarship at Union. Of course, when St. Lawrence won it's first NCAA D-III Championship in soccer in 1999 the local community developed similar conspiracy theories about how these D-III athletes were really getting scholarships through "other means." Such baseless allegations do get awfully nauseating over time. Thanks for adding some sense of reality and clarifying the topic!

[Ralph Baer]

An article from the Troy Record that dissects how the scholarships were saved: http://www.troyrecord.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810587&BRD=1170&PAG=461

[Ralph Baer]

From the RPI student newspaper:

article
http://www.poly.rpi.edu/article_view.php3?view=2717&part=1

editorial
http://www.poly.rpi.edu/article_view.php3?view=2724&part=1

another editorial
http://www.poly.rpi.edu/article_view.php3?view=2727&part=1

[AdamW]

Originally posted by Ralph Baer
An article from the Troy Record that dissects how the scholarships were saved:

I especially liked to see this:

Ithaca College president Peggy Williams spoke for many during convention debate on the issue when she said, "I'm a big fan of, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' and this ain't broke."

Especially since that was who my "Open Letter" was addressed to:
http://www.uscho.com/news/2003/08/14_006856.php

[CornwallAce]

If anyone cares. Hartwick College just announced that their woman's water polo and men's soccer are going D3. The college called the move, "inevitable".
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Also, taking a quote out of the Troy Record Story,
"An institution does not need to sponsor a D-I program to build quality facilities for its D-II programs, and sponsoring a D-I sport doesn't guarantee that an institution's D-III facilities are better than those at other D-III schools, Ralph said."

Just take a look at a D3 state college like Cortland, NY. They got a REALLY nice football stadium just recently built, whereas RPI basicly just has a field. (They have minimal bleacher seating)

[TCTornado]

Hartwick (http://www.hartwick.edu/x6729.xml)

[unionbob]

Lets remember one thing.....
Hull made the comments, not the team, coach or fans......
I am sure most of us union fans, if not all disagree with Hull.....
lets stand behind our teams.......I wouldnt be surprsied they and the coaches are not happy, but we will probably never know.....

[Ralph Baer]

Originally posted by unionbob
Lets remember one thing.....
Hull made the comments, not the team, coach or fans......
I am sure most of us union fans, if not all disagree with Hull.....
lets stand behind our teams.......I wouldnt be surprsied they and the coaches are not happy, but we will probably never know..... I would be very surprised if the team and coaches were happy with Hull's remarks.

[WordsSayNothing]

Originally posted by Ralph Baer
I would be very surprised if the team and coaches were happy with Hull's remarks.

How much support is there for hockey overall at Union (among the student body and alumni)? Would it be enough to actually force Hull out? Or is Hull possibly speaking for a majority?

[kashmunnie73]

RPI's Ms. Jackson would be available to run Union as well as RPI...a nice $600k plus perks should be enough. She's kinda busy serving the public shareholders of 5 disparate publicly held companies....but for that kind of money she'll find the time...and fear not...she is a master of self-resolving conflicts of interest. Hey...how is her attendance record at those 5 public companies?...and her dissenting votes record? kash

[Chuck_N]

Maybe it's time to lose the sticky on this thread!!!