Petition against DivIII changes

[westerburg]

Originally posted by UMDbulldogs#1
I'm in as well. Why is the NCAA so dumb sometimes?

Repeat after me ... "The NCAA doesn't make rules" ... "The NCAA doesn't make rules"

[Bruce Ciskie]

This just in:

Actually, this is all Clinton's fault.

[state of hockey]

Wow this thing had really taken off...

I was number 35 at 3 o'clock in the morning last night, never imagined it would be over 650 by now. Keep it up!

[d3follower]

It may have taken off but look who is signing it. I can't see why the powers-that-be in D3 would be moved by a much of names from people affiliated with regular D1 schools like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Cornell, Georgia, Dartmouth. The petition would probably have more impact of the signers were people from the play-up schools and sympathizers from other D3 hockey schools. The petition includes some D3 names but also includes the names of a lot of other people who have at best a tangential connection to the issue . .

[westerburg]

Whoever wrote the petition should change this part:

"Ratification of this proposal would prevent these schools from competing on the same level with other Division I schools, as they would be prevented from attracting highly talented players to their teams with the offer of scholarship money. With other Division I teams allowed to use scholarships as an enticement, players would be more inclined to choose a school to play for that would pay their tuition over a school that would not. "


This will get no sympathy from the D-III people. They don't care about this. They're trying to prevent D-III schools from giving scholarships across the board.

You need to appeal to the sense of tradition - and the fact that these schools were put into D-I in certain sports for a reason, a long time ago, to maintain a long-held tradition at these schools ... And that these schools have participated in a single sport in D-I with the highest integrity -- and also in all the rest of the sports in D-III with similar integrity.

Talking about how they will not be able to compete in D-I without scholarships is not going to win sympathy. The D-III people know this -- that's why they're doing it.

[nanookfan]

Originally posted by Colo Hockey
I was #650 something. As a CC fan, this is VERY bad news. Their hockey program brings in a lot of students to the school, and lots of big bucks too. They’re screwed is the NCAA decides to keep going with this very bad move. :mad:

A friend of mine and I were having dinner tonight talking about this petition. As I said to him "Have you ever heard of Colorado College for anything other than hockey?"

Whether the D-III presidents want to admit it or not, some people actually know these schools BECAUSE of their hockey team. I wouldn't have known St. Lawrence University existed if it wasn't for their hockey team.

Keep up the good work folks. I would also appeal to any D-III fans who agree with us to please sign the petition. The D-III fans might carry a little more weight than D-I fans with those who will be making the decisions. After all, it's going to be presidents of the D-III schools who make the decision.

[bigfish]

Originally posted by Bruce Ciskie
Thank you USCHO for making this a Sticky.

Everyone who calls themselves a fan of college hockey needs to sign this thing.


one more reason to believe you are a doofus

[bigfish]

Originally posted by nanookfan
A friend of mine and I were having dinner tonight talking about this petition. As I said to him "Have you ever heard of Colorado College for anything other than hockey?"

Whether the D-III presidents want to admit it or not, some people actually know these schools BECAUSE of their hockey team. I wouldn't have known St. Lawrence University existed if it wasn't for their hockey team.


This is a REASON to sign the petition?:rolleyes:

see what I mean about the 'yahoo factor' MikeR?

[miker]

Originally posted by Bruce Ciskie
Thank you USCHO for making this a Sticky.

Everyone who calls themselves a fan of college hockey needs to sign this thing.

For those too lazy to find the link, you can sign the petition against this ridiculous action here (http://www.petitiononline.com/NCAAD3/petition.html).

Pass this link on to anyone you know who can help.

Strange timing bigfish...just happened to be replying...

I know about the "yahoo" factor, and typically I am the one that avoids it at all costs. Some reason, whether it is my getting older, living in the southern heat too long, having to watch UAH games, .....I can ignore it. Maybe only for the reason that it is my alma mater this time, and my ticket to this forum? Otherwise I'd have to start cheering for Harvard and recant all the bad things I said about Peter Ciavaglia and Allain Roy.


thought you'd like to keep reading the quote.;)
Edit:
Would you agree that these schools cannot compete at the same level without scholarships?
If not...then you have no problem with this proposal

If so.....would you impose this proposal on the schools with the tradition, academic record, and quality of programs for the sole reason of consistency? Considering that there have been zero D3 issues with these schools (except for the philosophical issue).

I can think of only one other explanation for this proposal...prevention of a violation? But don't you build some trust when you have run a hockey program for 82 years?

I still disagree with you on who should have administration D3/D1.....almost like the states rights debates...I have to be quiet about that down here...they are still fighting the Civil War.
:D

[Red Cloud]

Originally posted by bigfish
This is a REASON to sign the petition?:rolleyes: Yeah, I guess you're right, having a school's identity forcibly ripped away from them by other schools isn't a good enough reason to sign the petition... :rolleyes:

[ScoobyDoo]

Originally posted by bigfish
one more reason to believe you are a doofus
Are you having a personal meltdown here, or what?

[UMDbulldogs#1]

Originally posted by Bruce Ciskie
Sometimes?

Okay all the time :D

[Muskieman]

Does anyboy have any thoughts as to whether the major newspapers (e.g., US Today, NY Times, etc.) would allow concerned hockey fans to write letters to the editor and include a link to this petition? I do not know if newspapers allow website links to be included in editorials, so need some guidance on this.

Brian

[D3 Phan]

My Dad graduated from CC in 1938, and even he is upset about losing D1 hockey. What is the need for the change? What does it hurt to have these four institutions play D1 hockey? What will this change accomplish, other that upset the people that purchase the tickets and the students that play the game. If you love the game, get in on this petition.

[d3follower]

Originally posted by RPIRED
Yeah, I guess you're right, having a school's identity forcibly ripped away from them by other schools isn't a good enough reason to sign the petition... :rolleyes:

UMMMM, this sounds more like a good reason for ending athletic scholarships at the play-up schools. If an institution's identity is inextricably intertwined with the granting of athletic scholarships, then something is seriously amiss. . .

[miker]

Originally posted by d3follower
UMMMM, this sounds more like a good reason for ending athletic scholarships at the play-up schools. If an institution's identity is inextricably intertwined with the granting of athletic scholarships, then something is seriously amiss. . .

I do not believe that was the intent. I'll make an attempt. The institution's identity is inextricably intertwined with high academic standards, combined with a highly successful and competitive athletic team that has been a tradition for a minimum of 50 years....(closer to 90 years for Clarkson)


Just so happens to play D-1 at a high level..you need athletic scholarships.;) (Ivies excluded for known reasons.)

[miker]

Originally posted by RPIHFH
I have been asked by a friend who doesn't post here to pass along this link to a petition that was started opposing the potential changes in NCAA DivIII regs. Please sign the petition and pass it along to anyone and everyone you know against this change.

Here's the link:
http://www.petitiononline.com/NCAAD3/petition.html

Thanks.


I almost forgot....:)

[UMDbulldogs#1]

Originally posted by westerburg
Repeat after me ... "The NCAA doesn't make rules" ... "The NCAA doesn't make rules"


Oh excuse me professor. I'd argue with you about that, but I'm hungry and I need to get off line to order some food.

[CommAvHusky]

Proud to be #790:)

[westerburg]

Originally posted by UMDbulldogs#1
Oh excuse me professor. I'd argue with you about that, but I'm hungry and I need to get off line to order some food.

It's an inarguable point. No one in the NCAA has ever created a by-law or passed a proposal.