Petition against DivIII changes

[kashmunnie73]

...okay all you RPI/SLU/CC/Clarkson boosters...here you chance....Middlebury Coach Beaney...is on deck for "Ask the Coach" feature....so get your questions in...about McCardell and Middlebury's seeminly anti-hockey position....in particular...why did McCardell denigrate hockey players as "puck slappers"? Beaney probably won't answer these questions...but you can send him a message that might get passed on to him...and by him to McCardell. Heck....send him your petition...with signatures. USCHO may control delivery of questions. kash

[kashmunnie73]

....I realize the time span......the wonderfully misleading thing...colleges and educators love touting their "improved" SATs stats now....and never do they tell the alumns or parents...that they have been re-centered. I even know high school teachers who didn't know about it. kash

[Red Cloud]

Originally posted by kashmunnie73
....I realize the time span......the wonderfully misleading thing...colleges and educators love touting their "improved" SATs stats now....and never do they tell the alumns or parents...that they have been re-centered. I even know high school teachers who didn't know about it. kash So which is it? Re-centered last year or recentered 7 years ago? Pick one.

[Ralph Baer]

Originally posted by kashmunnie73
...SATs probably peaked at RPI in 1970+/-...when they peaked nationally....and engineering was more popular among Americans. 700's today are more like low 600's before the re-centering 7 years ago or so. kash Close. They peaked in 1964 for the Class of '68 (my class). It was mentioned in the Alumni Mag 10 or 20 years ago. With the recentering since then, it might now be higher.

[kashmunnie73]

Ralph.....you sound right on the SAT scores....68/69/70 was the peak year for college applicants for a long time....baby boom. RPI'd...the re-centering was some 7 or so years ago.....enrollment and scores up at RPI.....a mini boom in engineering?....or are they recruitng over seas...by the way...RPI should get into squash....big sport in engineering countries. The re-centering was about 150 points on the median combined score. So George Bush and Al Gore's 575+/_..would be mid 600's today. kash

[kashmunnie73]

...you guys read the red raider thread about Colgate going to 31 scholarships of $37,000?...sounds like some walking around money too. McCardell et al won't like this trend. BTW...how can that reduce recruited athletes by 25%...is that a definitional thing? kash

[Rolevio]

Originally posted by kashmunnie73
....geez....do MIT,Caltech, WPI or Tufts engineering lose 25% of students? Is this an academic issue.....or a commuter college-type issue...or lack of qualified applicants? Is it considered a problem at RPI? kash

The thing with engineering schools (or programs at larger universities) is they almost all universally make freshman year extremely hard to weed out the people who don't have the mathematics and physics foundation to succeed in the program. 25% I would think is a conservative number. There are alot of people, myself included, that will tell you their engineering classes lost half or over half of what they started with.

[Red Cloud]

Colgate isn't D-III. They've had this option all along and simply chosen not to use it yet.

I'm not sure what to make of this. Is Colgate banking on the proposal passing and decided to join UVM on the "only scholarship schools" list? Was this university-wide or just hockey?

[Ralph Baer]

Tom,

I doubt that it had anything to do with the DIII proposal.

[kingdobbs]

Originally posted by Rolevio
The thing with engineering schools (or programs at larger universities) is they almost all universally make freshman year extremely hard to weed out the people who don't have the mathematics and physics foundation to succeed in the program. 25% I would think is a conservative number. There are alot of people, myself included, that will tell you their engineering classes lost half or over half of what they started with.

Yeah, here at UConn we have a fairly large engineering program (we have big deals with United Technologies and other defense people in state); there's one course in particular that something like 80% of people who take it fail, that also just happens to be one of the courses in the engineering (also any science degree in the general college) track. Failing it can put a student a semester or more behind, and they usually decide it's not worth it.

[Muskieman]

RPIRED,

I learned today that Colgate will offer a limited number of scholarships beginning with the class entering in the fall of 2004.. In all, 31 full scholarships worth about $37,000 apiece will be available for both men and women in basketball, ice hockey, lacrosse, soccer, and swimming and diving. Women competing in field hockey, softball, and volleyball also will be eligible. No athletic scholarships will be given in football because the Patriot League does not allow it.

In the first year of the plan, men's basketball would be getting three scholarships. I do not know what will be allotted for hockey and the other eligible sports.

Interesting timing by the "Gate, considering that ECAC rivals Clarkson, RPI, and SLU may lose the ability to offer scholarships beginning the fall of 2008, if the D-3 proposal passes.

Brian

[ComedyCentral]

Originally posted by Muskieman
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No athletic scholarships will be given in football because the Patriot League does not allow it.
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Brian

I-AA Patriot League football and the Ivy League has non-repayable set aside grants available for football players. Those packages are called "Leadership Scholarships" that equal an athletic scholarship at other I-AA schools.

Patriot League teams are regulars in the I-AA playoffs.

If the Patriot League were truly non-scholarship they would be in the same boat as the PFL, MAAC, and NEC conferences.

[ttnorm]

Clarkson v. Colorado College (http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/7079183.htm)

(I found this over at the INCH newsstand (http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/newsstand/index.html) which is rapidly becoming a great reason to check out INCH every day.)

[miker]

Thanks for posting the gazette article.

No news to report from the D3 management council meeting. A reaffirmation of Prez. Brand's comments to have this go before the membership in January.

If this fails before the membership, a good thing overall but not good for the programs affected short term.


D3 reform continues on track (http://ncaa.org/news/2003/20031027/active/4022n01.html)

[Ralph Baer]

Some time back it was either mentioned on this thread or contained in a link that the Rensselaer Alumni Association was going to insert a postcard into their magazine to send to Myles Brand, RPI '64, the President of the NCAA. The magazine showed up yesterday. Here's what it states. First the part that remains in the magazine when the card is removed.

ATTENTION: RENSSELAER HOCKEY FANS

The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) has proposed to prohibit Divion III members from awarding athletic aid to their Division I athletes. If approved, this proposal could jeopardize Rensselaer's 100-year ice hockey tradition and hamper the ability of bright and talented student-athletes to obtain the benefits of a Renssealer education.

If you want to voice your disapproval of this action, send the attached postcard to Myles Brand ;64, president of the NCAA.

Preserve Rensselaer's longstanding hockey tradition!

The postcard itself reads

Dear Dr. Brand,

I STRONGLY OPPOSE the proposal by the NCAA President's Council to eliminate Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute's ability to award athletic grants-in-aid to members of its Division I ice hockey program.

The proposal jeopardizes the Institute's 100-year-old hockey tradition and hampers the ability of student-athletes to receive the substantial benefits of a Rensselaer education.

The NCAA should eliminate this proposal and protect the future of Rensselaer's hockey tradition.

Regards,


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I personally don't think that Brand has much clout on this, but hopefully, it will fill his mailbox. :)

[Ralph Baer]

BTW, I noticed that there are three former RPI hockey players on the Baord of Trustees of the Rensselaer Alumni Association. Charles Rancourt '70 is the Vice President/Treasurer and Stuart Benton '62 and Terry Jordan '72 are Board members.

[engineerhockeyfan]

The Priesidents Council meets today in Indianapolis. Do we have any particulars? Such as what time they meet? Or what we might expect from this meeting. When might we expect some comments on what transpired at this meeting?

[Red Cloud]

Originally posted by Ralph Baer
I personally don't think that Brand has much clout on this, but hopefully, it will fill his mailbox. :) This postcard is also appearing in game programs.

[Alton]

Note that last week the management council "re-affirmed" their support for the proposal:

http://www.ncaa.org/news/2003/20031027/active/4022n01.html

Since the management council is made up mostly of "sports people"--conference administrators, ADs, and the like--and the President's council is made up of university administrators, I would expect the President's council to be quite likely to pass it on to the January convention for a vote.

Reading between the lines, the article I link above makes it sound like there is some opposition to the proposals, but that the supporters, by leaning on the "Division III Philosophy" argument, are winning out.

To be blunt: this is not good news. Since the people voting at the Convention in January will be Division III school presidents or their designees, it is looking more and more like this proposal will win, and student-athletes will lose. I hope I am wrong.

[ayersrj]

According to my alma-maters (Clarkson) current President, Tony Collins, the proposal has advanced to the January NCAA Convention Vote. He released this statement a short time ago:

http://www.clarkson.edu/news/releases/rel.cgi?ncaa_proposal_collins_statement_065-03.rel