RPI Women's Hockey

[skate1024]

My appologies nut_case. Didn't mean to knock Union. They are in a tough situation being a new DI program and in one of the toughest leagues in the nation. They are going through growing pains like UVM before them and what I expect Clarkson will go through next season when they jon the ECAC. It's tough to play DI without scholarships.

[rpi_fan03]

purple...

#1...if you were referring to the RPI and Mease I think you'll find that coming into this weekend RPI was in the top ten already (#5 if I remember correctly...sorry #6)

#2...I was in no way saying that the east would beat the west or vice versa...I was more just trying to show the parity in the conferences for what you referred to as a "weak" schedule...which ties into your #3....I know that technical SOS doesn't count non-con D1 games but that doesn't mean no one take it into account...I seem to remember a lot of hype about Elmira's first few games vs. Wayne State and Clarkson this year...I was merely pointing to the fact that RPI's non-con schedule was not a cakewalk

#4...I am glad you think I make good points...that was part of my goal...I don't recall stating anywhere in my post however that Rosina was the top goalie in the nation or that RPI should be considered "stars"...I merely stated that their schedule was really not as weak as a lot of people seem to think and that they do deserve some credit for their work so far...

Overall, I do agree with most people on the board when they state that RPI still has to earn their respect...I just wish it was the same for all teams...because I really don't believe that a "close loss" should be considered much more than what it is...a loss:D

[polarbear2]

Originally posted by skate1024
Speaking as someone who is non-partial,.....Middlebury plays in the weak NESCAC conference (aside from Bowdoin and maybe Williams)


Good points...I agree with the exception of above quoted portion.....You spoke "as someone who is non-partial". Good thing you didn't say you were non-partial:D :D Your reference to Middlebury playing in the weak NESCAC seems to suggest that. spmehow, the remainder of coferences are not weak!!! Give me a break!!! With RPI playing in the powergouse ECAC East, they do, afterall, have Salve Regina looming large....Know your facts before you claim one conference is weak and another strong....uniformely, in the east at least, the conferences are all dominated by a few strong teams....ECAC Ease is no different...do your homework, first...conferences are a statistical dead heat at this point in the season for average number of wins, ranging from 7.6 ECACW to 7.0 NESCAC, the same goes for strength of schedule...the 3 eastern conferences all have statistically weak schedules...do the math...all teams in all conferences (against DivIII opponents) opponents average winning percentage in less than ..500 (averages around .425) It.s one thing to be a fan...it's another to suggest that you're "Speaking as someone who is non-partial" and throw around opinions that are so out of touch with reality!!!!! And by the way....CLOSE LOSSES do count in analyzing a team..it is what makes a forum such as this exist..it is why there is a 6 hour pregame run-uo to the Superbowl...otherwise the announcers would only need 15 seconds to give each teams record, declare the team with the better record would win...etc. That is what this forum is all about: analyzing teams:eek: :eek: If the world were as one dimensional as you seem to think, this board wouldn't exist.

[UCBadger]

Originally posted by purple_and_gold10
#1....thats what beating the #1 team in the nation does for ya...guess where RPI would be if they had lost?? #11 or #12 correct me if im wrong UCBadger...
I would never correct you P&G.........:D
While the weekend results are still incomplete, expect M'ville to drop to #3 in this weeks D-III Mease rankings. With the split, RPI (the team) gains slightly in Mease points but stays #6. If RPI had won both games they would be sitting in 3rd with M'ville in 6th. Had RPI lost both games they would have slipped to #10 in the Mease rankings.

[stetem]

i must admitt...i did not think tha RPI could stay with Mville
...altho Fridays game was sloppy and slow.the teams came back Saturday with some better hockey
Mville carried most of the play Sarurday thru 2 periods...and could have been up 4 goals... if it wasnt for the RPI goalie...she was outstanding
In the 3rd Mville scored the tying goal with about 3 minutes left
only to have the Ref wave it off.. from what i heard... he said the net was off before the shot...i have 3 pictures that says it never came off...the RPI goal judge said the puck was in the net also
the amazing part is...in my pics....the ref was in postion to make the call

[mr_itty]

Originally posted by hab
And the crowd was really involved...nice to see a large and vocal crowd like that coming out for a D3 game.

I was at that game and was very pleasantly surprised to hear a group of fans (which soon included myself and my guest) doing our best to shout out some typical men's game cheers. ("Go Red, Go White", "Go go go you red red red / Fight fight fight you white white white"). That was definately the most involved I've ever seen the crowd at an RPI Women's game. It was good to hear, and I hope it's an indication of things to come for the team, especially once the move to D1 takes form.

[cscvt]

Originally posted by RPIRED
After five whole games. See, I can use petty discounts too.

Lillie has played in 9 games and has 5 goals against. In fact she has an over-all career record of 29-1 with the lone loss coming against Wayne State, 4-2. A GAA near .55 and save% probably near .935, you can run the numbers if you are that interested.

[purple_and_gold10]

Originally posted by cscvt
Lillie has played in 9 games and has 5 goals against. In fact she has an over-all career record of 29-1 with the lone loss coming against Wayne State, 4-2. A GAA near .55 and save% probably near .935, you can run the numbers if you are that interested.

i was gonna get to that eventually:) ...thanks cscvt


anyone know why she jumped from a sophomore to a senior this year??? graduating early??

thats too bad because it was always nice to know we had an equally capable goalie waiting behind Edith in case we needed her...Like i have said many times...Paul Nemetz-Carlson has got quite the work-load this off-season....bringing in atleast 1 new goalie and he really needs to start concentrating on the replacing players for next years huge senior class.....

[Red Cloud]

Ran the numbers...

<pre>1 Kristin Lillie Elmira JR 540:00 5 0.56
2 Kara Meyer Gustavus Adolphus FR 407:10 5 0.74
3 Rosina Schiff Rensselaer SO 789:32 13 0.99</pre>

Apparently the number is goals allowed and not games as I had surmised.

Of course, Lillie has a dynamite defense in front of her too.

[leeb]

Sheesh, talk about stirring the pot. Ha! Ok, ok, so I may have been a little over-exuberant. But, there is still no doubt that Schiff is one of the best goalies in the country. Her individual game performances and overall numbers just don't lie.

Interesting point (whoever made it) that some of the top D3 teams may not want to schedule RPI for non-conference games because they are going D1. I dunno, I would think that teams like Elmira, Middlebury, etc. would jump at the chance to schedule a team that may be heavily gearing up for the bump to D1.

We'll see how this off-season goes in terms of RPI's recruiting efforts. I've heard (don't know how true it is) that there has been quite a bit of interest from prospective recruits since the announcement was made. Could we be seeing some more Aho and Welte-type freshman at the Fieldhouse next year? I sure hope so.

[purple_and_gold10]

Originally posted by RPIRED
Ran the numbers...

<pre>1 Kristin Lillie Elmira JR 540:00 5 0.56
2 Kara Meyer Gustavus Adolphus FR 407:10 5 0.74
3 Rosina Schiff Rensselaer SO 789:32 13 0.99</pre>


Of course, Lillie has a dynamite defense in front of her too.

excuses, excuses:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

First off no one is better than Schiff and her numbers prove it...then Lillie's numbers pop up and the defense question comes out...

would you like a little cheese with that w(h)ine??

Plain and simple we wont know until some of these teams face off head to head....If RPI makes the NCAA's then Schiff will have every oppurtunity in the world to showcase her talents and prove like you guys like that she is a top 3 or the best goalie in the D3 nation......

[SHUCrosscheck]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Lillie play in the pipes against the weaker teams?

[Bearcat44]

Originally posted by purple_and_gold10
Plain and simple we wont know until some of these teams face off head to head....If RPI makes the NCAA's then Schiff will have every oppurtunity in the world to showcase her talents and prove like you guys like that she is a top 3 or the best goalie in the D3 nation......

I guess that 93 saves against the #1 team in the nation isn't enough make a case for you P&G. Oh yeah, plus the rest of her numbers... Correct me with a quote if you like, but I don't think anyone's saying that Schiff is THE best goalie in the nation. I don't think you can ever really say that someone is the best goalie in the nation. But, to say that she is one of the best is entirely fair and accurate, and we don't need to see her play every top goalie in the nation head-to-head to assess that. Making it to the NCAA's doesn't and shouldn't be the measurement of a great goalie. That's the measurement of a great team, and IMO has very little to do with how good a goalie is, or any individual player for that matter.

[jericho]

Originally posted by stetem
i must admitt...i did not think tha RPI could stay with Mville
...altho Fridays game was sloppy and slow.the teams came back Saturday with some better hockey
Mville carried most of the play Sarurday thru 2 periods...and could have been up 4 goals... if it wasnt for the RPI goalie...she was outstanding
In the 3rd Mville scored the tying goal with about 3 minutes left
only to have the Ref wave it off.. from what i heard... he said the net was off before the shot...i have 3 pictures that says it never came off...the RPI goal judge said the puck was in the net also
the amazing part is...in my pics....the ref was in postion to make the call

The net may have very well been off, but from where I was sitting there was definitely someone in the crease who he was pointing to.

[Bearcat44]

Originally posted by jericho
The net may have very well been off, but from where I was sitting there was definitely someone in the crease who he was pointing to.

That may be true, but that was not the call as the face-off after the call was in the zone, not outside as it would've been had there been someone in the crease. Also, the ref was in the best position, better than the goal judge, to make the call as to whether the puck crossed the line. From where I was sitting, it looked as though the puck was partly over but not completely.

Furthermore, if we want to start complaining about the officiating, something that I don't like to do, (but will anyway), Manhattanville was clearly offsides right before they scored their second goal in the Friday night game. The refs were constantly out of position and missing both icing and off-sides calls all night for both teams. They were not communicating with each other well and a few times they'd look at each other to say, "was that icing or not?" "I don't know, you make the call" "but it's your call, you make it" "no, it's your call you make it" and then it was too late. Very unprofessional.

[rpi_fan03]

With regards to friday nights game...

I won't complain about the refs as they missed calls both ways...and the ref didn't put that puck into the net...
What I will say is that I was disappointed to find that the league assigned a linesman for fridays game (I wasn't at saturdays so I don't know if it was the same one) who had never done a women's college game before! I do not know if he had ever done a men's game as I was only told "This was his first game"...so I assume from watching that he had never done a college game period...

The manner on the ice of the crew was very unprofessional, as you stated they were looking at each other to make the calls and it seemed a few times they just didn't make a call because it took them so long to decide WHO was supposed to be making it....but I put most of the blame on the league in this case...game one of a weekend series that pitts the #1 ranked team in the nation againt the first place team in their league should NEVER EVER be left to the officiating of a crew who 1. has never worked together and 2. includes a linesman who has little to no experience with the college game

hopefully what few important games that are left will be handled a little better

[Red Cloud]

Originally posted by purple_and_gold10
excuses, excuses:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

First off no one is better than Schiff and her numbers prove it...then Lillie's numbers pop up and the defense question comes out...

would you like a little cheese with that w(h)ine?? This would mean something if you weren't complaining about RPI's strength-of-schedule. What, you can dish it out, but you can't take it?

Bottom line - she's one of the best. Stop discounting her, you keep looking foolish.

[purple_and_gold10]

Originally posted by RPIRED
This would mean something if you weren't complaining about RPI's strength-of-schedule. What, you can dish it out, but you can't take it?

Bottom line - she's one of the best. Stop discounting her, you keep looking foolish.

I never said she wasnt good!! GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS!!!

All i said is i will reserve my judgement until i see her or she plays more top teams....has all that media attention you've been getting lately gone to your head:rolleyes: :p

[Red Cloud]

Originally posted by purple_and_gold10
All i said is i will reserve my judgement until i see her or she plays more top teams....has all that media attention you've been getting lately gone to your head:rolleyes: :p The numbers speak for themselves, and you can't make a judgement based on that? 91 saves on 93 shots by the nation's #1 offense. Gee, uh... I don't know...

Gee, I think constant success may have gone to YOUR head. Why don't you peek your head down out of the clouds and say hello to some of us down here for a change? Thanks!

[purple_and_gold10]

Originally posted by RPIRED
The numbers speak for themselves, and you can't make a judgement based on that?

Gee, I think constant success may have gone to YOUR head. Why don't you peek your head down out of the clouds and say hello to some of us down here for a change? Thanks!

maybe on the women's side of things...the mens team (which i follow much more closely) has brought me way down:mad: :o ...

Numbers can be skewered in every which way....IE...Kristen Lillie...She has only ever played 1 REALLY tough team during her 3 year career at Elmira and that was D1 Wayne State last year or 2 years ago. Does that mean she is a bad goalie?? NO...but is she a little overhyped because of her outstanding numbers?? you better believe it. RPI's goalie accomplished an incredible feat this past weekend stopping 91 of 93 shots against the #1 team in the nation like you said....And that goes a long way towards proving she is for real. However, other than those game she really hasnt had any REAL teams putting shots on her which does help her numbers a lot.

Im not trying to knock the girl down and if she really is a good goalie she wouldnt care what a 16 yearold kid has to say about her and nor do i expect it....This forum is not for us to coach the players and tell them what they should do and not do and how good or how good they arent. Its for opinions of the fans and general discussion amongst them......with that i end this conversation because it has been blown way out of the original context and yes in part it was my fault....im sorry