What The Holy Hell Is Going On?

[Craig P.]

Originally posted by Husky Fan Roy
How bout for starters when you cross the border they do more than just ask you what your business is, how long you will be staying and are you carrying anything you shouldn't be.And just how much are the border guards supposed to do? Think about it! The only thing we could possibly have done about this incident at the borders is catch the people trying to cross based on who they were. Everything else the terrorists did could have been done within the United States, without any trace to be found at the time they entered the country. As I said with regard to airport security, I'm fine with taking reasonable steps to improve security, but there comes a point where the incremental benefits aren't worth the costs. Or, in this case, the incremental benefits are nonexistent.

[Craig P.]

I, too, am glad to hear that Ritt is OK, and am very grateful to him for his willingness to do whatever he could to help in the aftermath of the attack.

[Husky Fan Roy]

Bobo, your as respectfull as verybigdog who like to call people gay, I am glad you can have a conversation and attack me personally when you don't know me.

I would like to go on record as saying I will support whatever decisions are made by our government. I will help out wherever I can, my thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. I would even fight side by side by Bobo if it meant protecting our rights.

I was throwing out suggestions I had heard on TV from different analysts that have been talked about over the last three days from what did past administrations overlook to where to we go from here as far as protecting our own soil. I appreciate those of you who have replied in a respectable fashion and I apologize for almost getting caught in a flame war. This is not the time for that.

I would have to think that if somehow if our security on our own soil does not change in a drastic way we will be at a high risk for Tuesday's events at all times. I hope my thinking is wrong. I realize you can't have custom agents hiding behind trees where the boarder blends together, but there has to be something you can do to catch potential hijackers before they get on a plane. I don't know what that is, but hopefully the powers that be can find some way to combat this great threat.

[Bobo]

Originally posted by Handyman
Roy and Bobo,

Ok guys you made your points, lets seriously stop all this ok. Man I amsick of watching what was once a united group deteriorate into fighting again.


I am all for it, but now, OF ALL TIMES, is not the time to let blatant idiocy go unchallenged. That's what's led to this disgusting and ignorant harrassment of anyone who even looks Arab that's going on by half-witted white trash right now.

Same thing with this blame. WE failed, not Clinton, not Reagan, not one group or another. This threat has ALWAYS been there and NO ONE adequetly addressed it. WE all had the time, but didn't. If any one of our leaders had thought this was such a threat they had the time to make their views known. NONE of them did.

This is a time for unity, intelligence, and resolve, not blame and ignorance.

[Jim W]

Jim, I'm very glad to see you're okay and I'm extremely thankful for the help you provided. As others have said, I wish I could have been there beside you. Sadly, a very good friend of my cousin was on that elite rescue squad you mentioned and was lost during the collapse. You, your friends, and your family have been part of my prayers. Take care Jim, I hope you get back on your feet, so to speak, very soon.

[Todd Patten]

Roy -- The bottomline is that we can not completely protect ourselves against anything that is dangerous, regardless of the magnitude. The only thing that will bring us close to the things that you are talking about is turning this country into a police state where we have little or no freedoms.

One of the things that makes this country as wonderful as it is are the freedoms we have. I am not willing to give up those freedoms for the very rare chance that it may be exploited to bring harm to myself or others. I am not willing to prohibit certain nationalities from passing our borders so that I can feel safe and cozy walking down the street, visiting a mall, or flying cross country.

I am not willing to turn against all that this country was built on because a group of radical religious zealots, who don't even give true representation to their religion, was able to use the very foundation of our country to their advantage. Don't you realize that once we do this we will have surrendered to the enemy?

[Bobo]

Originally posted by Husky Fan Roy
The Clinton Administration wasted 8 years that they could have have made a strong stand against terrorism. Instead they did nothing except take a few pot shots at a couple militarty establishments. A reporter asked Clinton about that yesterday and he became totally defensive, not the qualities of a good leader.

I hope the Bush Administration learns from Clinton's mistakes.

I can't help but think if the Clinton administration had taken a tougher stand this would not have happened. Its time for Bush to learn from Clinton's mistakes and take a strong stand and win this war.

You posted that less than two hours ago.

(You've backpedaled since but I don't see where you quoted anyone. I just see blame. Ignorant blame. Not needed and incredibly counter-roductive right now. Not to mention inaccurate and incredibly naive.)

[Section96]

Ritt:

Glad you're OK. Thanks to you and your fellow volunteers for your efforts.

What is sad about all of this, is that I guarantee you right this minute, some Hollywood exec is sitting down with a producer talking about a "made for TV movie" about this tragedy. I can see it now - probably on Fox - "Terror At The Twin Towers".

[Husky Fan Roy]

I agree with you cambam that taking away freedoms would be giving into the terrorists. My question is being that is the case do we pray every night that something like this will not happen again without taking any precautions? My other question is what precautions can we take that will not take away any of our liberty.

Bobo, where did I say that we need to have precautions about letting middle eastern people into our country? I never said that.

Unfortunately there was a story on the radio this morning that some kids at a local high school attacked a couple of girls that were from the middle east. That makes me sick. I would hope and pray that parents across America are trying to help kids understand what has happened here.

[jk]

Originally posted by Section96
What is sad about all of this, is that I guarantee you right this minute, some Hollywood exec is sitting down with a producer talking about a "made for TV movie" about this tragedy. I can see it now - probably on Fox - "Terror At The Twin Towers".

Actually, I think this is having the opposite effect on the entertainment industry - they are backpedalling from terrorism/mass tragedy projects. But of course you're right about Fox; perhaps they'll include actual footage of the tragedy. I've really hated Fox News before, but their insensitive coverage here cements it for me.

[Husky Fan Roy]

Originally posted by Bobo


You posted that less than two hours ago.

(You've backpedaled since but I don't see where you quoted anyone. I just see blame. Ignorant blame. Not needed and incredibly counter-roductive right now. Not to mention inaccurate and incredibly naive.)

As I said that was what was talked about on the by analysts on FOX news and MSNBC last night. It made think what if they are right. Obviously your OPINION is different than that. I can agree to disagree, I was looking for counterpoints to that which everyone but you has provided in a respectfull way. Next time you are in a Denny's men's room don't expect me to hand you a towel.

[Handyman]

Bobo,

You are right, it is ignorance that is causing the most problems today, and I understand why you feel you need to argue with Roy about what he says...BUT I feel that the way you are doing it is what is wrong. You seem bent out of shape and intent on ripping on Roy for his beliefs and even if he is wrong that is not right. We dont have to all agree, but we SHOULD be respectful. Is that too much to ask?

And believe me, I am not perfect either...I just want this all to end...I am not sure if there is much more I can take!! This helpless and lonely feeling I have is growing hour by hour. That is why I am so glad this board is around. Being able to talk to all of you and debate/converse has made this a whole lot easier on this boy. I may be legally an adult, btu mentally I was/am not prepared mentally for all this. I thought I was mature but over the last 2 days I have grown more than I did in the previous 21 years. While I knew the world was evil in many respects, it was so far away it was like it was on another planet, and now here I sit, unable to move or speak horrified as 1300 miles away more people are missing than there are in many Cities in this state. I would cry if I could, but my emotions go beyond all that. I am so far gone I cannot describe what I feel. I live a very sheltered life no doubt, and I have felt alone before due to my personal and family lives, but never have I felt so empty and hollow, so helpless and alone or scared as I do right now.

That is why I have posted so much as of late...everyone around me is gone (they have their lives to live) and right now all I have are you guys. I dont care if that makes me pathetic, or a loser, being able to post these last 2 days has helped me cope more than anything else. Thank you all for that.

[Randy May]

Originally posted by Husky Fan Roy


Next time you are in a Denny's men's room don't expect me to hand you a towel.

Man that was harsh! Don't we have a moderator anymore??? What we can just post anything we want now???

[Bobo]

You mean respectful like saying this wouldn't have happened if Clinton had done his job? Yeah, I see how you practice respect yourself.

Thousands of people are dead, the country is at war, and you feel the need to blame it all on one person. And then hide behind, "it was just a thought I heard."

Even if it were true, what's the point in posting it? What's the benefit in posting it? Why did you post it?

[Murray]

Boy, the dumbass Husky Roy and the coward, draft dodger Dude Love speak volumes about SCSU fans. Dumb and chicken.

[Murray]

Originally posted by Husky Fan Roy
Next time you are in a Denny's men's room don't expect me to hand you a towel.

A typical SCSU graduate? Handing out towels in Denny's?

[HankWP]

Come on man... this really isn't the time for me, you, they, them...

:(

Henry.

[Todd Patten]

Handyman -- I agree with you about this board. It's been incredible. Who would have ever thought? **** -- this thread alone has over 20,000 VIEWS! It's a college hockey board. Amazing.

Maybe this is too touchy feely. I just need to ask anyway. I'm a 31 year old man, yet over the past three days I have had these spontaneous bouts of eyes wheling up and emotion when I read things, when I see things and when I think things. Articles about our allies supporting us so completely, about the our country coming together and showing that they are proud to be American, stories about a parent lost, thoughts of my own 2 year old son. It all has all effected me in ways that I couldn't anticipate.

Anyone else having this sort of stuff go on? I'm just wondering when I'm just going to break down and bawl.

[Husky Fan Roy]

Bobo,

If I remember correctly I think I said the Clinton Administration, I believe there is more than one person in an administration. Did you really want me to name everyone? I also said after hearing that I can't help but think (that means it is my opinion, not fact) that something could have been done, I also went on to say that the Bush Adminstration goes on to learn from that. Again, my OPINION. I was planning that this would be up for debate which it has by everyone but you who thinks it is better to fly insults back to back your opinion. That is uneccessary, there is no point to that.

The last time I checked message boards are a place to debate and discuss things, that is why I posted it. Never did I resort to calling Clinton any names and even expanded to my opinion to say I did not believe Bush Sr. did everything necessary in Desert Storm. Debate those points, please, but to call me 14, tell me I work at a Denny's mens room and call me ignorant for expressing my opinions (which is what America is all about the last time I checked) makes me sick.

[Todd Patten]

Just another update from on the candles from boston.com

Candlelight vigil
A national e-mail campaign is urging all US residents to go outside at 7 tonight holding lit candles in a show of national strength and unity. However, there is confusion over the time. The California man who started the idea says he intended for the vigil to be held simultaneously across the country, starting at 7 p.m. Pacific time -- which is 10 p.m. on the East Coast. But everyone on the East Coast who received the email is planning to take part at 7 p.m. Eastern time. Which is correct -- 7 or 10 p.m.? Maybe both. We leave it up to you.

I'm going with 7:00. That way my son can be a part of it.