What The Holy Hell Is Going On?

[Todd Patten]

Originally posted by The Sicatoka
I'm with Dr. Yeagley.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/columnists/yeagley/2001/dy09-14-01.htm

The guy sounds like a blow hard to me.

[Todd Patten]

3 in a row...

An interesting article about that Canadian news article that's been moving around via email.

http://news.excite.com/news/r/010914/06/odd-sinclair-dc

I still like what it had to say. Christ, even the radio guys were tricked...

[MavRick]

Cambam: Peter Jennings was reading that yesterday morning on ABC (correctly attributing it in time and space, incidentally). Of course, our geniuses at the local ABC affiliate did their idiotic local insert (Planes are flying from Omaha! Yippee!!) just as Jennings, himself a Canadian (IIRC) was chocking up on Sinclair's words.

[Bobo]

"President Bush couldn’t say the word "war." It would have been politically incorrect. It would have offended the Left, the feminists, the minorities, and Amnesty International."

"Our leaders would rather see us slaughtered. That’s the way of the Left."

-Yeagley

Sicatoka, this guy an a s s h o l e. I can't believe you find him readable let alone admirable. He's a dim-witted blow hard. I used to think you had a brain. Bizarre, and ignorant.

[The Sicatoka]

Will they stop if we do nothing?

"Stop" is not a part of a terrorist's vocabulary. That is not how this 'game' is 'played'.

[Todd Patten]

Christ Sickota, I don't think anyone disputes the fact that we MUST and WILL retaliate in a very violent and visable fashion. We want to destroy whomever did this and any accomplices.

I must say though, that the retaliations WILL NOT stop these ********. They could care less about being killed, and would likely have an orgasmic response to the chance of dying in the name of thier very tainted view of their religion. They are throughout the world. In our country, in Europe, in South America. We will not be able to get them all.

News now is starting to filter out that many of the terroists have been identified and are tied to an Egyptian Islamic Jihad group. There appears to be a link to Bin Laden somehow. Lets face it, it could be a bunch of crazy Quakers living in Montana and one way or another right now, they will be "linked to Bin Laden". I'm fine with that. The point is, are we going to go into Egypt and start something?

Finally, the Dr. may have a few valid points, but accusing the left of wanting their own citizens to die? C'mon -- he's a f^cking turd to even suggest that.

[Bobo]

Thanks. Lets pass that on to the gov't., I think they were thinking about doing nothing.

Again,
"Our leaders would rather see us slaughtered. That’s the way of the Left."

-Yeagley

Yes, this guy sounds like a genius, I can see why you admire him. Then again, maybe he's right, a good Comanche war cry might stop terrorism.

[The Sicatoka]

Do I think the US should commence annihilating countries? No.

But fostering and supporting terrorism will be viewed as terrorism according the President.

The threat of facing the same fate as a terrorist should be real.

Is Yeagley over the edge today? Yes, but he also expresses the frustration that many are feeling.

I'm frustrated with all of the words. I just would like to know that there are actions, the right actions, taking place.

[PCM]

I can't go along with Yeagley's approach. Substitute the word "revenge" for the word "war" and I think it comes closer to reflecting his mindset. I don't blame him a bit for feeling the way he does because I've felt it myself.

However, I don't think it's in the country's best interest to send our military forces into action half-cocked with blood in their eye. I also don't think that we can treat this problem as a war in the conventional sense of the word. (Our wars on drugs, poverty, racism, etc. have drained the word of its true meaning.) I suspect that President Bush and those advising him know this as well.

Yesterday morning on one of the major networks, they interviewed a "terrorist expert" who said in all seriousness that we must destroy every society in the world that supports terrorism. I'm sure that sounded wonderful to many Americans, but I don't think they understand what it means. We're talking genocide. We're talking sinking to the level of Nazi Germany. That, folks, is just plain nuts.

I am not afraid of Arab masses who demonstrate in the streets of Mideast cities, chanting anti-American slogans and burning American flags. For all their bluster, they are essentially powerless. I do, however, fear those who have the intelligence, organizational ability and resources to tap that sentiment.

We can't force people to stop hating America and we can't kill everyone who does. That doesn't mean that we're powerless to stop terrorism. What we can do through military action is make the leaders of terrorist organizations and the masterminds of terrorist plots understand that if they're going to be in that business, they're going to live with a bull's-eye on their backs.

I suspect that most leaders of terrorist organizations are basically cowards. If they know that the life expectancy for their chosen profession is very short, it's only a matter of time before the supply of candidates for such positions dries up. Without leaders, there is no action.

We can also use our economic might to let nations of the world know that if they're going to support and harbor terrorists that A) they won't do business with us and B) they will be subject to military invasion without advance notice.

America needs to demonstrate that it's willing to use whatever means necessary to take out the leaders of terrorist organizations, even if it requires putting troops on the ground in foreign lands for extended periods of time and suffering casualties.

I am not going to be critical of what President Bush says or doesn't say or doesn't say. I'm not going to whine about him not being at the right place at the right time. The people who complain about such things are, in essence, saying that words, symbolism and PR stunts are more important than results. Thanks to eight years of Bill Clinton, the public has been conditioned to think this way.

We don't need rhetoric from Bush or anyone else. What we need is to demonstrate our determination, resolve and commitment to attack the problem until it no longer presents a threat. I am going to judge our leaders based on the results they deliver, not what they say.

Remember what the great philosopher John Mellencamp said:

These are just words and words are okay
It's what you do and not what you say

[Todd Patten]

One more note about the candle thing...

Everything I read, other than the Globe states that the plan is to go outside at 7:00 PM. I just want to know what you all plan to do?

[Husky Fan Roy]

The Clinton Administration wasted 8 years that they could have have made a strong stand against terrorism. Instead they did nothing except take a few pot shots at a couple militarty establishments. A reporter asked Clinton about that yesterday and he became totally defensive, not the qualities of a good leader.

I hope the Bush Administration learns from Clinton's mistakes. These people need to be dealt with severely. What most people do not realize is that this is war. Innocent people die in war. If we just take out a few terrorist leaders and their training sites it does nothing. Countries who harbor these people need to be dealt with.

I can't help but think if the Clinton administration had taken a tougher stand this would not have happened. Its time for Bush to learn from Clinton's mistakes and take a strong stand and win this war.

[Craig P.]

ABC now reports that the men and woman who were detained yesterday in New York have been released. The FBI says they are satisfied that the groups were not part of the conspiracy. (Which, of course, begs the question of just what they were doing?)

There's some speculation that rather than actually being released, the detainees have been turned over to government elements outside the criminal justice system e.g. the CIA or military intelligence.

[Todd Patten]

Originally posted by Husky Fan Roy
The Clinton Administration wasted 8 years that they could have have made a strong stand against terrorism. Instead they did nothing except take a few pot shots at a couple militarty establishments. A reporter asked Clinton about that yesterday and he became totally defensive, not the qualities of a good leader.

I hope the Bush Administration learns from Clinton's mistakes. These people need to be dealt with severely. What most people do not realize is that this is war. Innocent people die in war. If we just take out a few terrorist leaders and their training sites it does nothing. Countries who harbor these people need to be dealt with.

I can't help but think if the Clinton administration had taken a tougher stand this would not have happened. Its time for Bush to learn from Clinton's mistakes and take a strong stand and win this war.

Give me a friggin' break with laying blame on the Clinton administration. Do you think ANYTHING would have been done in this administration had these crazy freaks not decided to use our airliners as bombs? It wasn't even in their radar scope! None of us even gave it a second thought. It's obvious by the way the terrorists were able to get on planes without a problem due to our "an airplane is simply a bus that flies" mentality.

We have had various attacks on us in the last 20+ years. Through republican and democratic administrations. Our responses have always been small and precise. Review your history before you go and make ***hole comments blaming Clinton for the mess we are in today.

[Todd Patten]

Originally posted by Craig P.
ABC now reports that the men and woman who were detained yesterday in New York have been released. The FBI says they are satisfied that the groups were not part of the conspiracy. (Which, of course, begs the question of just what they were doing?)

There's some speculation that rather than actually being released, the detainees have been turned over to government elements outside the criminal justice system e.g. the CIA or military intelligence.

This articles details the confusion pretty well: http://www.msnbc.com/news/628563_asp.htm

[PCM]

Originally posted by Husky Fan Roy
Innocent people die in war. If we just take out a few terrorist leaders and their training sites it does nothing. Countries who harbor these people need to be dealt with.

I don't know if you were referring to my post, but I am not advocating taking out "a few terrorist leaders" and then calling it quits. I am advocating a national policy saying that anyone who plans or supports terrorist activities is subject to termination with extreme prejudice.

[Bobo]

Why are you a-holes turning this into a partisan discussion? First of all, it has nothing to do with right or left, secondly, even if it did this is so unbelievably not the time for your ******ant, weak-minded, uninformed, half-*****ed rambling. The Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up under Reagan, the embassies were blown up under Clinton, WE didn't do enough to prevent what happened this week. But if it takes the actual act of terror for you simpeltons to realize it's possible you are even stupider than I thought. What happened this week has been possible since the advent of commercial air travel, as in for the last 50-60 years, WE, right left liberal conservative, have done nothing but rely on luck for all of that time. Idiots.

[Handyman]

Look, I am not pointing fingers, but the Clinton Administration did make mistakes when dealing with terrorism. Look at what happened in wake of the USS Cole. That was an unprovoked attack on a military vessel, and we did next to nothing!! We had links to some of the terrorists and some "Partial Links" to Bin Laden I believe and we basically said, "forget about it". I am not exactly sure what we did do, but this wasnt a suicide bomber in some Mall in Israel...this wasnt a bomb threat or anything, this was a diliberate attack on our military, and no reprocussions at all!! IMHO that makes us look weak. I cannot say that if GWB was Prez we would have done anything...but under Clinton we did not...facts are facts.

This much is true, If George Senior was Prez, someone would have paid dearly for that attack. Just like someone should now!!

[Husky Fan Roy]

Originally posted by cambam


Give me a friggin' break with laying blame on the Clinton administration. Do you think ANYTHING would have been done in this administration had these crazy freaks not decided to use our airliners as bombs? It wasn't even in their radar scope! None of us even gave it a second thought. It's obvious by the way the terrorists were able to get on planes without a problem due to our "an airplane is simply a bus that flies" mentality.

We have had various attacks on us in the last 20+ years. Through republican and democratic administrations. Our responses have always been small and precise. Review your history before you go and make ***hole comments blaming Clinton for the mess we are in today.


Newt Gingrich and a lot of other analysts (watch FOX news and MSNBC, thats all they were talking about last night) seem to agree with me. My point is that it is time to learn from these mistakes and make sure it never happens again. Bush needs to makes sure that our actions are not "small and precise" because as our history states they are highly ineffective.

BTW, I am not blaming Clinton for what happened this week, I just think there is a lesson to be learned for the future that we need to take these threats more seriously.

[RoyalTea]

i can't imagine that there has ever been a bigger coward than Osama bin Laden.

from msnbc:
Most recently, he has been seen near Jalalabad, a city in eastern Afghanistan. He moves three or more times weekly, living in mud huts, tent cities, caves, etc. Bin Laden is accompanied by a security entourage, including heavily armed bodyguards and anti-aircraft guns mounted on trucks. Often, multiple sites are set up for his use and he will choose a site at the last minute.

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Bin Laden regularly varies the details of his movements. He will vary not only the number of vehicles in his convoys, for example, but also the type of vehicle as well. On some travels, he will give his entourage hours’ notice of his departure. At other times, he will leave at a moment’s notice. He will also have several locations prepared, with only a few of his aides knowing which he will ultimately choose. While he does not change locations every night, he changes about twice a week

I thought that the point of the jihad, or holy war, was that muslims who die in these terrorist activites go straight to heaven, according to their interpretations of the Koran.

Yet, this p ssy bin Laden sends others to die for him, he hides out in the mountains, contantly moving with the protection of a heavily armed entourage.

All of this leads me to believe that he is not prepared to die for his cause, but has no qualms about sending others to die in their cowardy attacks against innocent civilians, including women and children.

I'd love to see the looks on those terrorist's faces when they realize that killing thousands of innocent civilians didn't give them a "free pass to heaven" as they thought it would. I know those motherf ckers come from the desert, where it's pretty hot, but I hope they're experiencing heat like they've never seen before.

[Handyman]

Bobo,

Please dont take my comments to be a critique of the Left. I am not in any way an expert on Poli Sci. I am 21, so I can only go by what has happened within the limited scope of my memory and the Cole happens t be the main one. Like I said, I do not blame Clinton, but it was HIS administration that made the decisions so he is accountable. If GWB was Prez, he would have been accountable.

To be honest, I lean more Left than Right, so this is not partisan for me.