What The Holy Hell Is Going On?

[Da Big Bad Cow]

kieron, if you see that man....slap him for me!

[PCM]

Bill Israel is a UMass Journalism professor.

[Kieron]

Originally posted by PCM
Churchill, of course, faced the German bombing of London, but the situation was vastly different. I doubt that he took unnecessary chances during bombing attacks.

PCM, the bunker complex under Downing St. is d@mn impressive and d@mn solid. It's been open to tourists for about 15 years now. Churchill directed most of the Empire's war efforts from there. Of course Churchill never had (or really needed) a secret service.

I'm no fan of President Bush, but I'm sure he wanted to be in D.C., but was overruled by his security detail.

[Carter]

People, you're not gonna believe what I've just been hearing. Here on the UW campus, we've been plagued lately by the itinerant "Christian" evangelists who set up shop with their large graphic closeups of aborted fetuses. This classless individual is claiming that the attack on the WTC was an Act of God. One of his huge signs says "America is the great satan", and he's telling the world that God used the Arab peoples to smite us for our sins. He also touched on gay people, or "sodomites", and suggested that if we just slit the throats of the half dozen most vocal among them, the rest would just crawl back into their holes. I would think that he's gonna shoot off his mouth in front of someone who lost friends or loved ones in the WTC attack, and that someone will land on him like a ton of bricks, but I suppose that's just what he's looking for. Any way he can provoke a reaction will get him more local TV exposure. He's cut from the same cloth as Bin Laden, that's for sure, and he's every bit as crazy. Religion can be a very scary thing.

[Kieron]

Originally posted by PCM
Bill Israel is a UMass Journalism professor.

I'm not sure I get what you're saying? Are you ******ed because he's a journalism prof, or because he works at UMass. Because believe me, UMass is as shocked as the rest of the country and the university is going over and above the call to help.

[Todd Patten]

Originally posted by Carter
People, you're not gonna believe what I've just been hearing. Here on the UW campus, we've been plagued lately by the itinerant "Christian" evangelists who set up shop with their large graphic closeups of aborted fetuses. This classless individual is claiming that the attack on the WTC was an Act of God. One of his huge signs says "America is the great satan", and he's telling the world that God used the Arab peoples to smite us for our sins. He also touched on gay people, or "sodomites", and suggested that if we just slit the throats of the half dozen most vocal among them, the rest would just crawl back into their holes. I would think that he's gonna shoot off his mouth in front of someone who lost friends or loved ones in the WTC attack, and that someone will land on him like a ton of bricks, but I suppose that's just what he's looking for. Any way he can provoke a reaction will get him more local TV exposure. He's cut from the same cloth as Bin Laden, that's for sure, and he's every bit as crazy. Religion can be a very scary thing.

Can someone just beat the ***** out of him please. I'd make this requested even without the current situation...

[Carter]

Cambam, he had more than a couple people so angry they couldn't even speak straight, but there's about 12 city cops out there protecting his right to free speech. He's right outside the main entrance to my building, but earlier in the week he set up shop further up the mall, and it did get violent and arrests were made. He of course has his young children with him. Crazier than a sh*t house rat.

[Dirty]

The cops should let people beat the ***** out of him, then arrest him for inciting a riot.

How must the cops protecting this twit feel having to listen to the ***** that he is spewing. 70 policemen and 200 firemen gave their lives in New York and these policemen have to listen to this d!ckhead, it makes me sick.

[PCM]

Originally posted by Kieron


I'm not sure I get what you're saying? Are you ******ed because he's a journalism prof, or because he works at UMass. Because believe me, UMass is as shocked as the rest of the country and the university is going over and above the call to help.

Go read the "Dear Dan Rather" thread I started a while back. That should answer your question.

Where he works has nothing to do with my post.

[Kieron]

Been reading the Dan Rather thread. Sorry, I just misunderstood you.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Ranger]

PCM, Sicatoka, etc.,

I don't think I criticized the actions the POTUS or the SS took, I simply wondered why he didn't return earlier -- I believe there is a difference.

Like many around me, I cringed several times as I watched the WH press secretary explain why AF One did not return to DC earlier. It was painful. It appeared they were making up the story as they went along. I am not alone on this either. Many DoD senior executives and flag officers expressed similar views -- at least in the immediate post-attack meetings I attended. Where was Secretary Rumsfeld during the attack and while the Pentagon was on fire? He continued working in his River Entrance office. Many Congressman and Senators were visible throughout DC... many remained on the steps of the Capital building.

It's my understanding all aircraft had been grounded or accounted for before AF One departed for Nebraska. I understand the strategic importance of Offut, AFB (I have been there on business several times), especially the capabilities of the Looking Glass aircraft stationed there. I can also imagine a dozen or more scenarios where the security of the POTUS is challenged, and yes, Tuesday demonstrated one of them. That's the less challenging part. The more difficult exercise is determining and understanding the viability of the scenarios. As a member of the armed forces for more than 18 years and the Intelligence Community for the past 11 years, I feel I have acquired decent situational awareness.

I stand by my original thought -- it's not a criticism regardless of what you may think. I'm still waiting for reliable information (press of other sources) that suggests AF One was a legitimate and primary target (either airborne or on the ground).

Personally, I don't think the Pentagon was a primary target in DC. Secondary, yes; primary, no. There are press reports (unconfirmed) that suggest the aircraft flew down the mall, made a circle around the capital, and then headed back to the Pentagon. It appears they were attempting to acquire a target, possibly the White House?, which is a not easily identifiable -- especially at a thousand feet off the deck going 500 knots.

Anyway, enough rambling.

[Gibber]

More sad news: According to CNN (I've had it on most of the day), the rescue of 5 firefighters did NOT happen!?!?

Did anyone else hear this?

gib

[Section96]

It also states that the rescue of 5 firefighters did not happen - this, according to the CNN.com web site. So, take it for what it's worth. Lots of confusion going on.

[Gibber]

Originally posted by Gibber
More sad news: According to CNN (I've had it on most of the day), the rescue of 5 firefighters did NOT happen!?!?

Did anyone else hear this?

gib

To follow up... what allegedly happened, five firefighters fell underground, and THEY were rescued.. somehow this was misinterpreted...

HTF does that get interpreted into: "five firefighters in a Chevy Suburban were rescued after being trapped 2 days"....

ugh

Other news, members of the media have been arrested for posing as firefighters, and marshals in order to get closer for photography. I have every intention on becoming a professional photographer.. but this kind of makes me sick..

[scsuboy]

Some peoepl have too much time on their hands. And I'm one of them for finding these pictures:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/tila/wtc_mysteries.html

http://future.philly.com/photos/lilface.jpg

I'm off to find more crazy stuff.

[Gibber]

Flight Data Recorder found in the Flight 93 crash in western PA. Being transported to DC now.

[The Sicatoka]

Strange photos? Try:

http://dailynews.philly.com/content/daily%5Fnews/2001/09/13/local/DEVI13C.htm

http://www.artbell.com/images/wtc2series.jpg

This is a better look at the upper right of it.

http://www.artbell.com/images/wtcdevil.jpg

[Randy May]

Thanks for all the updates people...this is the single best place for news on the net!

[PCM]

Originally posted by Ranger
I'm still waiting for reliable information (press of other sources) that suggests AF One was a legitimate and primary target (either airborne or on the ground).

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why this matters. The fact was, nobody knew exactly what targets were on the terrorists' hit list. Nobody knew what means they intended to use to hit the targets on their list. That alone was reason enough to exercise caution.

It means nothing that all the planes that were in the air had been accounted for. What assurance was there that a plane or helicopter wouldn't take off from another location? What assets, if any, did the terrorists have deployed on the ground?

As a person with so much military experience, I am really quite surprised that you think it would have been a good idea for the president to fly into an area in which the terrorists had successfully attacked. Yes, seeing the president in Washington might have provided a bit of a morale boost, but just imagine the impact of seeing Air Force One as a smoking crater in the ground with all on board dead.

Just because some members of Congress are too stupid to remove themselves from the line of fire (and I heard a Congressman express this exact sentiment on the radio this morning) doesn't mean the president should follow their lead. There's only one of him and it's not as if he's a combat commander who needs to lead from the front lines.

[PCM]

Originally posted by Gibber
Other news, members of the media have been arrested for posing as firefighters, and marshals in order to get closer for photography. I have every intention on becoming a professional photographer.. but this kind of makes me sick..

Yesterday, CNN gave two volunteer Red Cross rescue workers a camera to take into the WTC site to shoot video for the network. My wife and I thought that was pretty sleazy.