What The Holy Hell Is Going On?

[devsrule]

Originally posted by Ralph Baer
Building #5 of the WTC just collapsed. I guess that it was just a matter of time.

Where did you get that from? The live report here in NYC says they don't know what is happening down there although 5 has been considered shaky since last night.

There's a blackish cloud under the white cloud that makes it seem like something has happened and a couple of helicopters were sent down there, but the police haven't said anything.

FYI, I could still see the white cloud from 135 and Lenox.

Now they have rumors of another building - I didn't quite understand the name - it sounded like my building, but it just isn't close enough to make sense although it did shake with the second impact.

[devsrule]

NY1 is now reporting that it was the remainder of the Towers and 1 Liberty Plaza that have collapsed.

[JF_Gophers]

Interesting Editorial that I think applies. Written by Gordon Sinclair (canadian reporter).

http://www.gnt.net/~wright/american_ed.html

[Craig P.]

Incidentally, that editorial dates to the '70's. It's a little dated... note the mention of draft-dodgers (who have returned home by now) and non-mention of Airbus, which is certainly a viable European jumbo-jet manufacturer. Regardless, it's aged pretty well otherwise and definitely makes one stop and think.

[Jim W]

I'm watching it on CNN now. One Liberty Plaza has partially collapsed (a small portion) and is likely to collapse further. Tower 5 is also feared ready to collapse.

[devsrule]

For those worried about the rescue workers during these additional collapses, they were evacuated and there have been no reports of injuries due to the collapse (workers have been regularly ferried to Chelsea Piers for "normal" injuries or exhaustion).

There are no more Towers. The last four stories are gone.

For those of you in Michigan, they just showed a policeman from ?Coleman?, MI and he apparently has partner here and they are helping out. They didn't explain why he was in NY.

[JF_Gophers]

It's been reported that 3 men on the Plane from Pennsylvania that crashed decided to try and overtake the hijackers. Part of the reason it crashed before it's final destination.

It seems one of those 3 men was from Minnesota.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/687249.html

[bmwhusky]

CNN reports that a passenger on Pennsylvania plane called relatives, was told that two other planes had been crashed into NY. He put down phone, took vote of the men on the plane, and they decided to storm the hijackers. That cellphone technology probably saved the Capital building or the White House.

These men who voted to take on the hi-jackers should be remembered as heroes! Amazing information!

[bsaeagle64]

Originally posted by nate91b
.... Buck up, lock arms, and encourage our leaders to show an American version of terror that has never been seen in human history.....

I'm older than you are so either you took history in high school and forgot or were never told but America dropped Nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II. The devistation from what I have been told and read was and still is the most horrific result of military action by one country against another in human history. Believe me when I say that I'm not advocating nuclear weapons but students of history and my parents generation really do know what America can do when they want to. You really don't want to see that happen, do you?

[scsuboy]

We must do everything we can to prevent this from turning into WW3. With the super-weapons that are available to to countries nowadays, there is no doubt in my mind that a WW3 would be the end of the world.

We must first find who is responsible for this act before we even think about attacking.

I don't want to be in the President's shoes right now. 95% of America wants to kill Bin Ladin and destroy Afghanistan, when we don't even know if he is responsible. Everyone thought Bin Ladin was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing when it first happened. I'd rather wait months or years and make sure we bring the right people to justice, then to kill more innocent people just because we think they're responsible. I'm confident Bush will make the right decision.

If there is a way we can peacefully bring these people to justice without harming more innocent lives, that is what must be done.

[Don King]

scsuboy is right... we need to make ****ed sure that we've got the right guys before we go retaliating. But when we do find out who is behind this, I don't think there's any question that there is going to be heavy, violent reprisal. I just hope that it isn't the beginning of the end...

[Got 6, Want More]

SCSU Boy,

bin Laden should be hunted down and killed. Whether he is responsible for this attack or not, he is at least partly or fully responsible for the attacks on the US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and the USS Cole in Yemen. That is a minimum of 29 deaths of US Citizens. He is a on tape admitting he is the enemy of America, has telegraphed terrorist acts, has financed terrorist acts against the US, and thanked Allah for the attack on the US yesterday. The proof of his involvement in prior attacks alone justifies a military response that results in the eradication of this man and those that have harbored him and protected him in Afganistan for several years. If anything, the Executive Order forbidding US involvement in Human Intelligence and assasinations should be immediately reversed, and the US should eliminate bin Laden and Quaddafi and Saddam Hussein.

While retaliating against people not responsible for the attacks, and mobs harassing law-abiding US Citizens and/or residents because of their prejudice is not appropriate or helpful, and is, in fact, reprehensible, people calling for the head of bin Laden are justified.

Yesterday was a day that can't be described, I still feel sick every time I think about what happened, and people jumping from a burning inferno 75 stories high or higher. Our liberties have probably been changed forever too. The security measures that will be implemented in US airports when flights resume will likely be harsh and unfamiliar from what they have been. I personally don't mind if it prevents another day like yesterday. But overshadowing any of these thoughts is the simple reality that yesterday was a horrendous, sickening attack on the US. I still don't have information about close friends and SLU hockey alumni who work in the World Trade Centers. My brother-in-law was in the Pentagon at the time of the attack there and is, very fortunately, unharmed. I think it is more than appropriate to make sure that bid Laden, those with criminal past acts of terrorism against the US, and definitely those responsible in any way for the acts yesterday are made an example of in the harshest way imaginable.

[scsuboy]

Yes, Bin Laden needs to be dealt with (as in killed). But how are we going to find him? He is only one man, we dont even know where he lives, other than Afghanistan which is a decent size country. We know where Hussein lives, and you cant say we haven't wanted to kill him for years. But have we?

The best thing we can do is kill Bin Laden's supporters. In Chess, you can't knock the King off with your first move. You first have to take out the King's people. Then the King will be available to you.

The U.S. kills innocent people all the time. What we are feeling now is nothing different from what people from other countries feel when we bomb them. We are obviously not invinsible, and it was just a matter of time before something like this would happen.

Make no mistake, this was a cowardly act and was purely evil. And the people responsible will be brought to justice. I just don't want the U.S. to make a mistake and act too quickly. We have to act responisibly and logically. We can't let our emotions force us to do something we would later regret.

[bsaeagle64]

My boss said that Bin Laden's son goes to Harvard. Does anyone know for sure if this is true?

[scsuboy]

I doubt it. If he does we should definitely kill him.

[JmanUNH]

killing bin laden isnt going to accomplish anything, it would only strain things more, its not like killing bin laden kills his organization. there are people who work for him that worship him as a god, they will take over and there acts will be out of rage and fury, and damage will be done

[Badgers1]

I heard rumors Bin Laden has numorous relatives in the Boston area and they even have a scholarship fund at Harvard set up through some of his relatives. I didn't know that before he was known as a terrorist that he lived in San Antonio. This was all stuff I heard second hand so not sure if it's all correct info.

[Scott Murphy]

Here's a link. Apparently, Bin Laden does have ties to the Boston area.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010912/us/attacks_boston_bin_laden_2.html

[gcast]

The White House thru its mouthpiece has said that it had credible evidence that the White House and Air Force 1 were in dangerof being destroyed by the terrorists and thats why W went into hiding.In my honest opinion thats a lot of BS.He was scared spitless and bunkered.Come on W tell us the truth.
And when asked about his phone calls he listed calls to Russia and China along with Britain and Canada. Want to bet he called Mommy and Daddy to.
And when is he going to get off his *** and visit the poor chumps in NY that are busting their humps like those at the Pentegon :confused: :confused:

[Dirty]

They don't need the president and all the security that comes with the president to be in New York right now. It is more important to try to get people out alive of the WTC. They have given up hope of anyone being alive in the Pentagon, they haven't done that at the WTC. That is why he isn't threre. Do you really have such hatred and little respect for him that you believe anything you just wrote? There is a difference between making fun of him in jest about how he has no control at most times. But to even suggest that now seems completely out of place.